Hollywood Casino in KCK

The new Hollywood casino opens in Kansas City, Kansas around Valentine's Day. Does anybody know if Kansas has a policy toward "advantage players"? One casino has been open for several years now in Dodge City. I suspect a ruling will not be made until someone gets barred and protests, but I am just guessing. I would hope they would have the foresight and fortitude to make a ruling in advance of the opening that no actions whatever can be taken against players simply for having a higher skill level.

Quite the contrary. They would love to have you. Tell them at the start you are a counter. They will set you up at your very own table, charge a very reasonable fee to pay for the dealer, who will shuffle after each hand. They can't wait to observe your magnificent
skill. Go rip them a new one, hotshot. SINGLE DECK, at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hog heaven.

Quote: dm

Quite the contrary. They would love to have you. Tell them at the start you are a counter. They will set you up at your very own table, charge a very reasonable fee to pay for the dealer, who will shuffle after each hand. They can't wait to observe your magnificent
skill. Go rip them a new one, hotshot. SINGLE DECK, at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hog heaven.

I said "no action whatever" and that would include early shuffles, etc.

Quote: JuniorWiz

The new Hollywood casino opens in Kansas City, Kansas around Valentine's Day. Does anybody know if Kansas has a policy toward "advantage players"? One casino has been open for several years now in Dodge City. I suspect a ruling will not be made until someone gets barred and protests, but I am just guessing. I would hope they would have the foresight and fortitude to make a ruling in advance of the opening that no actions whatever can be taken against players simply for having a higher skill level.

First of all, congratulations as identifying yourself as an advantage player!

Second, if you've been to ANY Penn National Casino (Hollywood, Argosy) or ANY casino in the Midwest, you would already know that there is no such thing as an "advantage play." VP tables will be set low, maybe slightly higher than low since they do have to compete with KC, MO casinos, BJ will offer horrendous rules, with min HE's set around .60% and their poker room will rape pots by raking preflop and charging $5 a hand + a BB dollar (This could be $4, which is the area's rake, but count on $5). So unless they hire some bogus company to get a biased roulette wheel or you can find a flashing dealer, the answer is probably going to be no.

On a serious note, Penn National does have casinos that do watch players who they feel COULD be counting or pose some suspicious activity. One time at Hollywood Tunica, a pit supervisor left a screen up that I could see (and he encouraged me to look at, although was not around when I did) that told them to call the Eye in the Sky when I was playing. While I know how to count and I was playing a DD game with good rules, I was merely flat betting $50, occasionally raising it to $60. I suspect the warning was more due to the fact I won a car at the casino. I was never backed off (as that would be ridiculous as I wasn't counting) and I never felt like I was being watched by the floor staff (most of them knew me). I figure most casinos probably keep an eye on good BS players (Basic Strategy, not the BS presented by the OP).

And perhaps most appropriate to the thread title, Hollywood Casino in KC, Kansas will most likely be something else. The new models are based on Lawrenceburg and Charles Town, so if that's any indication, Kansas City will move up about 4 levels based on the look. Unfortunately they offer awful games and tend to bilk players. Argosy has a decent (not great) DD game, and I anticipate that game will stay at Argosy (if they don't sell the property off). However, don't expect a lot of 6:5 if any. The 6-deck trial run at Ameristar bombed, and Ameristar is the unquestioned leader of that market right now. DO expect table mins to be high when they first open, but they'll come down to earth within a week or two. The market is just too saturated not to offer lower mins.

Quote: Tiltpoul

However, don't expect a lot of 6:5 if any.

This confuses me - did you mean "don't expect a lot of 3:2", or is there some reason that having a lot of 6:5 is a good thing for the players?

Quote: ThatDonGuy

This confuses me - did you mean "don't expect a lot of 3:2", or is there some reason that having a lot of 6:5 is a good thing for the players?

No, while Penn National and Hollywood usually does offer horrible rules on games, they will most likely stay away from 6:5 BJ, except in single deck. However, in other markets or even other casinos, you'll probably see more 6:5.

Quote: Tiltpoul

First of all, congratulations as identifying yourself as an advantage player!

Second, if you've been to ANY Penn National Casino (Hollywood, Argosy) or ANY casino in the Midwest, you would already know that there is no such thing as an "advantage play." VP tables will be set low, maybe slightly higher than low since they do have to compete with KC, MO casinos, BJ will offer horrendous rules, with min HE's set around .60% and their poker room will rape pots by raking preflop and charging $5 a hand + a BB dollar (This could be $4, which is the area's rake, but count on $5). So unless they hire some bogus company to get a biased roulette wheel or you can find a flashing dealer, the answer is probably going to be no.

On a serious note, Penn National does have casinos that do watch players who they feel COULD be counting or pose some suspicious activity. One time at Hollywood Tunica, a pit supervisor left a screen up that I could see (and he encouraged me to look at, although was not around when I did) that told them to call the Eye in the Sky when I was playing. While I know how to count and I was playing a DD game with good rules, I was merely flat betting $50, occasionally raising it to $60. I suspect the warning was more due to the fact I won a car at the casino. I was never backed off (as that would be ridiculous as I wasn't counting) and I never felt like I was being watched by the floor staff (most of them knew me). I figure most casinos probably keep an eye on good BS players (Basic Strategy, not the BS presented by the OP).

And perhaps most appropriate to the thread title, Hollywood Casino in KC, Kansas will most likely be something else. The new models are based on Lawrenceburg and Charles Town, so if that's any indication, Kansas City will move up about 4 levels based on the look. Unfortunately they offer awful games and tend to bilk players. Argosy has a decent (not great) DD game, and I anticipate that game will stay at Argosy (if they don't sell the property off). However, don't expect a lot of 6:5 if any. The 6-deck trial run at Ameristar bombed, and Ameristar is the unquestioned leader of that market right now. DO expect table mins to be high when they first open, but they'll come down to earth within a week or two. The market is just too saturated not to offer lower mins.

Argosy Riverside has a horrible double deck game. Their official policy is 50% pen, in reality it is more like 45%. Last time I played there, they started dealing me 30%, so I just quit.

Quote: Tiltpoul

First of all, congratulations as identifying yourself as an advantage player!

Second, if you've been to ANY Penn National Casino (Hollywood, Argosy) or ANY casino in the Midwest, you would already know that there is no such thing as an "advantage play." VP tables will be set low, maybe slightly higher than low since they do have to compete with KC, MO casinos, BJ will offer horrendous rules, with min HE's set around .60% and their poker room will rape pots by raking preflop and charging $5 a hand + a BB dollar (This could be $4, which is the area's rake, but count on $5). So unless they hire some bogus company to get a biased roulette wheel or you can find a flashing dealer, the answer is probably going to be no.

On a serious note, Penn National does have casinos that do watch players who they feel COULD be counting or pose some suspicious activity. One time at Hollywood Tunica, a pit supervisor left a screen up that I could see (and he encouraged me to look at, although was not around when I did) that told them to call the Eye in the Sky when I was playing. While I know how to count and I was playing a DD game with good rules, I was merely flat betting $50, occasionally raising it to $60. I suspect the warning was more due to the fact I won a car at the casino. I was never backed off (as that would be ridiculous as I wasn't counting) and I never felt like I was being watched by the floor staff (most of them knew me). I figure most casinos probably keep an eye on good BS players (Basic Strategy, not the BS presented by the OP).

And perhaps most appropriate to the thread title, Hollywood Casino in KC, Kansas will most likely be something else. The new models are based on Lawrenceburg and Charles Town, so if that's any indication, Kansas City will move up about 4 levels based on the look. Unfortunately they offer awful games and tend to bilk players. Argosy has a decent (not great) DD game, and I anticipate that game will stay at Argosy (if they don't sell the property off). However, don't expect a lot of 6:5 if any. The 6-deck trial run at Ameristar bombed, and Ameristar is the unquestioned leader of that market right now. DO expect table mins to be high when they first open, but they'll come down to earth within a week or two. The market is just too saturated not to offer lower mins.

Argosy Riverside has a horrible double deck game. Their official policy is 50% pen, in reality it is more like 45%. Last time I played there, they started dealing me 30%, so I just quit.

Quote: JuniorWiz

Argosy Riverside has a horrible double deck game. Their official policy is 50% pen, in reality it is more like 45%. Last time I played there, they started dealing me 30%, so I just quit.

But the HE is .38%, DA2, DAS, NS, HIT S17. I actually can't remember if they let you resplit Aces; if they do, that would reduce HE to .33%

Quote: JuniorWiz

Argosy Riverside has a horrible double deck game. Their official policy is 50% pen, in reality it is more like 45%. Last time I played there, they started dealing me 30%, so I just quit.

But the HE is .38%, DA2, DAS, NS, HIT S17. I actually can't remember if they let you resplit Aces; if they do, that would reduce HE to .33%