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tringlomane
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August 11th, 2017 at 9:37:32 PM permalink
Quote: QFIT

Unfortunately. I generated indices, and applied Kelly betting; and the game does not appear to be amenable to counting. Clearly beatable with hole-carding.



Interesting. I wonder if Geoff even considered this with this twist.
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August 12th, 2017 at 3:56:38 AM permalink
Geoff knows what he's doing. I can get a positive EV. But, the variance is too high to make it playable.
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August 12th, 2017 at 11:46:53 AM permalink
This is still Geoff's game, not SG's, even though they are like the same. It's a strategic play for both party. SG does not take it now for a lower business risk. Geoff represents himself for establishing the market share -if the game works, it is worth much more money. This is a fantastic business model for game inventors - Let SG chase you, not the other way around.
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August 12th, 2017 at 6:45:32 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

This is still Geoff's game, not SG's, even though they are like the same. It's a strategic play for both party. SG does not take it now for a lower business risk. Geoff represents himself for establishing the market share -if the game works, it is worth much more money. This is a fantastic business model for game inventors - Let SG chase you, not the other way around.



That's sort of true, and sort of not true, but it's not up to me to correct the inaccuracies as I understand them. Switch has made his own deals and worked hard for a decade to earn the negotiating rights he has. I just didn't want any other designers to think this is the whole story, so I spoke up.
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August 12th, 2017 at 7:34:49 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

That's sort of true, and sort of not true, but it's not up to me to correct the inaccuracies as I understand them. Switch has made his own deals and worked hard for a decade to earn the negotiating rights he has. I just didn't want any other designers to think this is the whole story, so I spoke up.



I think this is the agreement between Switch and SG.

In 2012 SHFL obtained the license to distribute Geoff Hall's blackjack variant, Free Bet Blackjack, worldwide excluding the UK and Nevada. UK is his home court, Vegas is his playland. Not a bad situation at all
MrCasinoGames
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August 12th, 2017 at 7:38:19 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

That's sort of true, and sort of not true, but it's not up to me to correct the inaccuracies as I understand them. Switch has made his own deals and worked hard for a decade to earn the negotiating rights he has. I just didn't want any other designers to think this is the whole story, so I spoke up.


Dear beachbumbabs,

You are right, this is not the whole story.

I will up date Geoff Hall's on this post, next time I talk to him.
Last edited by: MrCasinoGames on Aug 12, 2017
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August 12th, 2017 at 8:09:21 PM permalink
Quote: sixsisters

I think this is the agreement between Switch and SG.

In 2012 SHFL obtained the license to distribute Geoff Hall's blackjack variant, Free Bet Blackjack, worldwide excluding the UK and Nevada. UK is his home court, Vegas is his playland. Not a bad situation at all


Hi sixsisters,

No, SHFL does not obtained the license to distribute Geoff Hall's blackjack variant anymore.

SHFL bought Geoff Hall's and own the games worldwide including the UK and Nevada, but they have some private agreement on his (Blackjack Switch) and New Games.
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August 12th, 2017 at 8:17:59 PM permalink
Speaking in generalities only, I usually recommend to game inventors that if they can get something going on their own, they will have a lot more bargaining power with a game distributor. However, it isn't easy getting something going on your own. Most games need to be subsidized for the first several placements while it waits to gain a following among players.

Tough business.
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August 13th, 2017 at 5:46:06 AM permalink
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...My first playable hand (the true first was a dealer blackjack) won because of the Zombie feature. It seems about ten bets over the hour were saved by it. Of course, some wins turned into pushes too, due to the push-22 rule. All in all, I think it has a high fun factor...


Another pretty darn good feature in a BJ variant from Geoff!

While the hard core BJ players will not play many variants due to their commercially viable 1%+ HE, this game should appeal to the masses of regular BJ, much as Free Bet & Switch have in the past.

Mathematically speaking, how often does the math report indicate that a player's bet is "boxed" and how often is a "boxed" bet paid even money?
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August 13th, 2017 at 7:22:06 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Mathematically speaking, how often does the math report indicate that a player's bet is "boxed" and how often is a "boxed" bet paid even money?



I don't think anybody has intrinsically quantified how often there is a Boxed Bet. I can say the probability of the dealer busting, with 23-26, by up card from 7 to ace (after peeking) is:

17: 19.8%
18: 18.4%
19: 17.2%
20: 17.3%
Ace: 14.7%.
Last edited by: Wizard on Aug 13, 2017
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