DJTeddyBear
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I won't tell my neighbor in a poker game that I can see his/her cards and i WILL use it to my advantage.

I had once read the Mohegan Sun Pocono Downs poker rules. They cover that situation and are very specific that you are not allowed to try to peek, but if a player is flashing their cards, you're under no obligation to look away or to advise that player about it.
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:56:49 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I had once read the Mohegan Sun Pocono Downs poker rules. They cover that situation and are very specific that you are not allowed to try to peek, but if a player is flashing their cards, you're under no obligation to look away or to advise that player about it.


Well yeah, no rubbernecking.
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:54:16 PM permalink
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I wouldn't be able to play with this way of thinking. I wouldn't even try to play. I'd have to tell the Casino of every mistake they are making. I'd have to tell them about the old coin machines that kept Over Paying me extra coins. I wouldn't be able to play progressives because they are 11% winners. I wouldn't be able to implement some tricks to pad my losses. I'd have to tell all the Casinos that had glitch problems with over paying me points and comps. I'd have to tell my dealers or poker players they are showing me cards that is supposed to be hidden. The list goes on and on. I'm not saying your right or wrong about this tainted money theory but it is too slippery of a slope for me to say some crazy karma theory is why I can't take the money. Some people talk about grey but make no mistake it is all black and white and anything considered grey is really black but this is just my opinion.

If I had some inside information on a stock tip or sports fix I wouldn't be able to clean up because the money would be tainted. Honestly... there is no honest money... it's all tainted in reality believe it or not.



Lol. Busted. It was all crap.

But I still won't cheat.
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:55:12 PM permalink
If you're aren't using a mirror or daubing cards when playing table games (including poker), you aren't trying.

If you aren't taping a string to a $100 bill at the slots or VP machines or using a light wand on coin droppers, you aren't trying.

If you don't walk into the exit at a buffet and help yourself to some to-go food, you ain't even trying.

Only help an old lady cross the road if you have a reasonable chance at taking off with her wallet.

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June 15th, 2017 at 10:12:15 PM permalink
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Tupac Smallz



It's too bad he shot himself.

There's at least one dealer in Vegas that doesn't know how to pay off don't odds. She pays them all off at 5 to 6. Is it wrong to stand next to the DC so the boss never catches it?
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:28:07 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

It's too bad he shot himself.

There's at least one dealer in Vegas that doesn't know how to pay off don't odds. She pays them all off at 5 to 6. Is it wrong to stand next to the DC so the boss never catches it?


I worked with a dealer who paid off all lay bets at even money. He figured the 5% juice (which he probably wasn't even charging properly) was all he had to do. The pit boss figured it out when everyone on his side of the table was laying every number and had no other bets in action.

This is the same dealer who dealt an entire double deck shoe backwards and no one noticed, except the floor who basically said "f*** this, if no one complains then no reason to interrupt" to himself. He also had an ace showing, asked for insurance after checking, took insurance bets down. Then flipped over a holecard T, another T, an 8, then a 4 and "busted" and paid the entire table (I don't remember the order of the cards and all that.)
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:39:51 PM permalink
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I worked with a dealer who paid off all lay bets at even money. He figured the 5% juice (which he probably wasn't even charging properly) was all he had to do. The pit boss figured it out when everyone on his side of the table was laying every number and had no other bets in action.

This is the same dealer who dealt an entire double deck shoe backwards and no one noticed, except the floor who basically said "f*** this, if no one complains then no reason to interrupt" to himself. He also had an ace showing, asked for insurance after checking, took insurance bets down. Then flipped over a holecard T, another T, an 8, then a 4 and "busted" and paid the entire table (I don't remember the order of the cards and all that.)



The pit boss started to suspect something when the rest of the craps crew changed into street clothes and bought into the game. How much does that bust it blackjack side bet pay when the dealer busts with a 4?
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:53:02 PM permalink
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I do not worry about the casino if they pay me in error but everyone has to draw a line where they are comfortable.

Poker is a game where people voluntarily agree to compete and gamble against one another for money. Therefore, anything I am able to do within the confines of the game to improve my odds of winning seems perfectly honest and reasonable to me as all the players have agreed to the rules of the game.

I don't feel good about taking advantage of someone's handicap though. Is it cool if a blind person asks me to pay for something for them if I shortchange them? If someone drops one of their chips in the casino and I see it my thought isn't "Gee I wonder if I can get away with stealing this? " -- I figure I should return that person's property to them.



I actually dealt poker for a few years in town. I dealt the WSOP 7 years. My friend who taught me how to deal used to F the house as much as possible. I've dealt for 8 hours solid without taking any rake... because F them! At times I would only take a dollar just so the camera would have something to see. I never had one floor person tell either of us about it. Security never once ever came down. No player ever said a word. You would think some sharp player would notice and tip more... nope. I've actually dealt games getting stiffed left and right and still wouldn't take a rake or at most 1 dollar. If I got in and the rack was down any amount I just made it up from the rake. So many smart ethical poker players but not one time in all my experience dealing did I have one player mention or even give a wink or smile. Not one of these honest players said... uhh you forgot the rake. Another friend of mine dealt some time games and was taking 25 dollars a hand... not one player noticed but he told the floor and they gave them 5 hrs free. My point is... ahhhh I forgot my point but the stories are true. On another note when I ran tournaments I stole over 100 dollars in re buys every day for months with no trouble ever... anyways... stealing is just part of the business.
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:56:20 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

The pit boss started to suspect something when the rest of the craps crew changed into street clothes and bought into the game. How much does that bust it blackjack side bet pay when the dealer busts with a 4?


Floor who noticed the blackjack + T + 8 + 4 (or whatever it was) didn't do anything, he was in such shock. He came over to me (I was dealing craps) and told me what happened and sorta jokingly asked what he should do.....like this scenario is so messed up, I can't really do anything can I, it's too great of a moment.


But one of the few times I dealt roulette I was paying corner bets (covers 4 numbers) I was paying at 17:1 instead of 8:1 for quite a while. One spin I finally noticed after I paid a few people, paid the rest of them (everyone had corner bets all over), said I think I paid all that wrong but whatever....my courtesy to let the players know not to max bet the corners anymore. I'm thinking "Yolo, it's the casino's responsibility to pay people the right amount, not mine." (Okay that last sentence was a joke.) I just didn't feel like calling over the boss and everyone arguing n whatnot.
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June 15th, 2017 at 11:02:32 PM permalink
On another note I did witness some dumb floor people rigging the 25 dollar drawing palming the ticket... lol... dumb bastard always had the same friend collect. Gaming arrested him. Another guy I knew stole 10k out of the cage and got stuck in the book. Nobody knew and he was so paranoid he accidentally spilled the beans to his superior. Went to jail... lots more stories but not tonight.

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