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May 1st, 2017 at 5:25:18 PM permalink
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Every morning in basic SEAL training, my instructors, who at the time were all Viet Nam veterans, would show up in my barracks room and the first thing they would inspect was your bed.
If you did it right, the corners would be square, the covers pulled tight, the pillow centered just under the headboard and the extra blanket folded neatly at the foot of the rack—rack—that's Navy talk for bed.
It was a simple task—mundane at best. But every morning we were required to make our bed to perfection. It seemed a little ridiculous at the time, particularly in light of the fact that were aspiring to be real warriors, tough battle hardened SEALs—but the wisdom of this simple act has been proven to me many times over.
If you make your bed every morning you will have accomplished the first task of the day. It will give you a small sense of pride and it will encourage you to do another task and another and another.
By the end of the day, that one task completed will have turned into many tasks completed. Making your bed will also reinforce the fact that little things in life matter.
If you can't do the little things right, you will never do the big things right.
And, if by chance you have a miserable day, you will come home to a bed that is made—that you made—and a made bed gives you encouragement that tomorrow will be better.
If you want to change your world, start by making your bed.
Bill McRaven. US Navy Seal, Retired


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May 2nd, 2017 at 7:26:32 AM permalink
I might be late to the party, but congrats on finally making the move. Regardless of how it works out, getting out and making the try is half the battle. As others have said, if you stay disciplined you'll be fine... it's when you get sloppy, distracted, or greedy that you'll end up hurting yourself. Thinking "Oh, I wanna get another couple hours in today, so I'll stretch my sessions past 45 min, or I'll play this place I played just a couple days ago, or heck I'll play this same shift I haven't had any heat there yet" is what will lead to downfalls of longevity.

I'm sure you're already aware of getting a chip inventory (so remember a good chunk of funds will be tied up in small chips that are easy to lose). Having a rotation where you have all the chips on that rotation you need for the day ready to go will save you time and sanity of sorting through them all. IF/When you ever do buy in for cash think about short buying with small bills and the message that sends to the pit.

Have a back story. Especially if a pit ever remembers you and starts a convo with you... You don't want to tell them you're in on vacation, ever, because they could see you again and know you're lying. You "just moved out to vegas" for "some other job" is probably a good idea. Make the "some other job" something you're semi-knowledgeable in, so you can hold a conversation on it if needed.

I don't think you plan on doing this, and perhaps you learned a good lesson before you went out, but do NOT argue or try to show ANYONE in a casino (pit, security, dealers, ploppies) that you know more than them about the game, your rights, etc, etc, etc. Nothing good can come from this and it will destroy your longevity.

Lastly, but most importantly... keep your eyes out for better opportunities. When you find a few of them, find someone that knows what to do with them and trade some EV for some training at that point. The EV from other plays from a weekend could be worth your EV for months in BJ.

Good luck.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 8:01:11 AM permalink
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I'm sure you're already aware of getting a chip inventory (so remember a good chunk of funds will be tied up in small chips that are easy to lose). Having a rotation where you have all the chips on that rotation you need for the day ready to go will save you time and sanity of sorting through them all. IF/When you ever do buy in for cash think about short buying with small bills and the message that sends to the pit.



Romes comes through again with great insights!

I'm sorry for my lack of experience and/or ignorance, but can you expand on buying short buying with small bills? I know buying in at the table for $100 rather than $300 or $500 will not warrant much interest from the pit. Is that the main intent and the end game? How do you incorporate the chips you brought into play? For example, if you brought 8 green chips at a particular casino, and bought in for $200 cash, how can you incorporate the 8 green chips? After a session, isn't it worse to make the Casino think you've won (with 8 extra green chips on the table) than even though you may be even? Do you slowly remove the green chips one by one towards the end?
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May 2nd, 2017 at 8:09:05 AM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

Romes comes through again with great insights!

I'm sorry for my lack of experience and/or ignorance, but can you expand on buying short buying with small bills? I know buying in at the table for $100 rather than $300 or $500 will not warrant much interest from the pit. Is that the main intent and the end game? How do you incorporate the chips you brought into play? For example, if you brought 8 green chips at a particular casino, and bought in for $200 cash, how can you incorporate the 8 green chips? After a session, isn't it worse to make the Casino think you've won (with 8 extra green chips on the table) than even though you may be even? Do you slowly remove the green chips one by one towards the end?



Short buy-in -- buy in for smaller amounts, like $100 or $200, preferably in $20's and $5's.

Once you do have chips, for a later session, bring chips. Bring as many chips as you want. Not $200. More like $1k to $3k, depending on your max bet.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 4:35:25 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I might be late to the party, but congrats on finally making the move. Regardless of how it works out, getting out and making the try is half the battle. As others have said, if you stay disciplined you'll be fine... it's when you get sloppy, distracted, or greedy that you'll end up hurting yourself. Thinking "Oh, I wanna get another couple hours in today, so I'll stretch my sessions past 45 min, or I'll play this place I played just a couple days ago, or heck I'll play this same shift I haven't had any heat there yet" is what will lead to downfalls of longevity.

I'm sure you're already aware of getting a chip inventory (so remember a good chunk of funds will be tied up in small chips that are easy to lose). Having a rotation where you have all the chips on that rotation you need for the day ready to go will save you time and sanity of sorting through them all. IF/When you ever do buy in for cash think about short buying with small bills and the message that sends to the pit.

Have a back story. Especially if a pit ever remembers you and starts a convo with you... You don't want to tell them you're in on vacation, ever, because they could see you again and know you're lying. You "just moved out to vegas" for "some other job" is probably a good idea. Make the "some other job" something you're semi-knowledgeable in, so you can hold a conversation on it if needed.

I don't think you plan on doing this, and perhaps you learned a good lesson before you went out, but do NOT argue or try to show ANYONE in a casino (pit, security, dealers, ploppies) that you know more than them about the game, your rights, etc, etc, etc. Nothing good can come from this and it will destroy your longevity.

Lastly, but most importantly... keep your eyes out for better opportunities. When you find a few of them, find someone that knows what to do with them and trade some EV for some training at that point. The EV from other plays from a weekend could be worth your EV for months in BJ.

Good luck.



Thanks again Romes. I sure learned a lot playing in PA and I'm glad I got some much needed experience playing here before I move out there. If I say even half of the stupid stuff in Vegas as I've said in PA to the pit and dealers, I'll be back home within 3 months so I need to keep my ego and pride at the door or I'll be done.

But like I said before, most of the 'I know my rights' type of stuff I said was more to protect me from being taken advantage of illegally and had nothing to do with my ego, but I quickly learned there's no reason to say any of that as it just makes me memorable and that's completely counterproductive to what a counter should strive for especially in Vegas when I'll be playing short sessions and trying to play under the radar.
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AxelWolf
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May 2nd, 2017 at 11:10:33 PM permalink
I highly suggest you look into some VP and other things. Much less risk and better comps than Blackjack. If you wanted to feed yourself for free and have +EV I would think that's the way to go.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 3rd, 2017 at 7:27:59 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I highly suggest you look into some VP and other things. Much less risk and better comps than Blackjack. If you wanted to feed yourself for free and have +EV I would think that's the way to go.

I hear there's full pay deuces all around =P... lol.

In all seriousness though you should learn how to play JoB, Deuces, and DB at least fairly well as this will be the best way to run out free play, for the most part. Also good to show "machine" action at times for very little -EV (though I don't know that professionally you'd want to do this or not).
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May 3rd, 2017 at 11:48:19 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I hear there's full pay deuces all around =P... lol.

In all seriousness though you should learn how to play JoB, Deuces, and DB at least fairly well as this will be the best way to run out free play, for the most part. Also good to show "machine" action at times for very little -EV (though I don't know that professionally you'd want to do this or not).

You must be talking about the two $5 denominations?

I'm not sure how well they comp people on the lower denomination FPDW at various locations anymore. I don't think I can even remember the last time I actually played a low denomination FPDW. It's well-known Skyline has .50(10 coin .25) and various promos, but no card(they been saying soon for years now). I think they comp you via the visual method. I have yet to eat once in that place.

Come to think about it, playing lower denomination VP for comps may not be worthwhile for him.
I'm not sure how much the OP is claiming he's going to be making per hour playing BJ, but if it's as much as he has indicated in the past, he's better off just paying for the food and getting back to business ASAP.

I have no doubt he would start questioning the randomness of VP and then demand to see the stats on the machines he's playing.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 3rd, 2017 at 4:01:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You must be talking about the two $5 denominations?

I'm not sure how well they comp people on the lower denomination FPDW at various locations anymore. I don't think I can even remember the last time I actually played a low denomination FPDW. It's well-known Skyline has .50(10 coin .25) and various promos, but no card(they been saying soon for years now). I think they comp you via the visual method. I have yet to eat once in that place.

Come to think about it, playing lower denomination VP for comps may not be worthwhile for him.
I'm not sure how much the OP is claiming he's going to be making per hour playing BJ, but if it's as much as he has indicated in the past, he's better off just paying for the food and getting back to business ASAP.

I have no doubt he would start questioning the randomness of VP and then demand to see the stats on the machines he's playing.



Damn casinos cheat players everywhere, not just in PA, as he (and we) are about to find out. And somewhere a young (assuming 18+ YO boy at a bus station) man is going to find out....unless of course he follows the advice of one of the few people beating BJ in LV. And if he doesn't, there is always the mission where "volunteers" will provide a free meal, BJ expertise and more...for a (assuming small) price.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 4:06:51 PM permalink
I'm not sure its true, but in the series" Lucky", he could always grab a free buffet coupon from a hawker outside a G.A. meeting.
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