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ZenKinG
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June 25th, 2017 at 10:53:10 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

I mentioned before, when I got back into counting in '08, I ran just as bad from the get go albeit lower stakes. I was down nearly $2000 and a month and a half in on a $10 game before things turned around.



What was ur average bet? 2000 loss even with a smaller bet still is not as bad as -8500 with 70 hours played. I'm sure you were betting at least 2x100 or 2x150?

You also didn't have the whole jungle of insects attacking you in your sleep leaving your hand and knee like a grapefruit. Need some serious benadryl at this point and might have to get some antibiotics, everyone says I look poisoned.

I'm all seriousness I'm pretty close to retiring. This whole counting thing has been a disgrace. 900 hours and +33k to show for it. Basically been playing breakeven for the past 300 hours. Bankroll is now at 48.5k thanks to rent and expenses.

This Vegas trip Also has been nothing t of a disaster. Just when u thought blackjack was bad enough, now your whole body is one big itch infestation with your hand the size of a grapefruit. You just couldn't make this up if u tried. No one will ever be this unlucky when they first move to vegas
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June 25th, 2017 at 10:58:50 AM permalink
Do you have health insurance?

Just go to the ER and they'll give you some steroids and antihistamine and it will go away in a few days.

Stuff happens no matter how you are making money. Just go get yourself taken care of.
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June 25th, 2017 at 11:02:02 AM permalink
No i dont have health insurance. A 30-40 hour fast will take care of this. Besides, i was bittem last week as well with a similar reaction but because it was on my toes and forearm, the swelling wasnt as bad. I don't understand why I'm getting such a bad reaction to these bug bites. Starting to think this isn't bed bugs but rather some spider in my room or scorpion.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 25th, 2017 at 11:09:05 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

What was ur average bet? 2000 loss even with a smaller bet still is not as bad as -8500 with 70 hours played. I'm sure you were betting at least 2x100 or 2x150?

You also didn't have the whole jungle of insects attacking you in your sleep leaving your hand and knee like a grapefruit. Need some serious benadryl at this point and might have to get some antibiotics, everyone says I look poisoned.

I'm all seriousness I'm pretty close to retiring. This whole counting thing has been a disgrace. 900 hours and +33k to show for it. Basically been playing breakeven for the past 300 hours. Bankroll is now at 48.5k thanks to rent and expenses.

This Vegas trip Also has been nothing t of a disaster. Just when u thought blackjack was bad enough, now your whole body is one big itch infestation with a hand the size of a grapefruit. You just couldn't make this up if u tried. No one will ever be this unlucky when they first move to Vegas



Perspective. Talk to the 18% of the 1.2 to 4 million pathological gamblers who declared bankruptcy in America. Many of them moved to Vegas and are probably homeless or on the welfare rolls. Go to the walk-in clinic, get your creams, antibiotics, pay the money, and move on. And get your landlord to pony-up for bedbug removal.

PS Glad to see that you are alive and well.
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June 25th, 2017 at 1:04:11 PM permalink
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PS Glad to see that you are alive and well.

Perhaps not for long if he doesn't do something.... like go to the ER.

Bite me once shame it, bite me twice......
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 25th, 2017 at 1:32:11 PM permalink
I can see it was God's curse that prevented you from calling an exterminator at the first sign of insect infestation. And that it must have also been God's curse that stopped you from filling out a medicaid application.

Lots of people tried to give you a lot of advice and you made it very clear that you already knew everything and were going to do your own thing instead of listening to anything they had to offer. You are definitely on to something when you say God curses anyone who is too smart.
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June 25th, 2017 at 3:03:47 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I can see it was God's curse that prevented you from calling an exterminator at the first sign of insect infestation. And that it must have also been God's curse that stopped you from filling out a medicaid application.

Lots of people tried to give you a lot of advice and you made it very clear that you already knew everything and were going to do your own thing instead of listening to anything they had to offer. You are definitely on to something when you say God curses anyone who is too smart.



The kid's new to life. Cut him some slack. He doesn't know how good his life is right now.
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June 25th, 2017 at 3:17:18 PM permalink
All this would have likely been prevented had you flown out to LV for 10 days or so and gotten a lay of the land.
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June 25th, 2017 at 3:31:54 PM permalink
Quote: RS

All this would have likely been prevented had you flown out to LV for 10 days or so and gotten a lay

Fixed that for you.
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June 25th, 2017 at 8:06:58 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Fixed that for you.





LOL*
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June 25th, 2017 at 8:33:45 PM permalink
I do not believe your hand is anywhere near swollen to the size of a grapefruit.

Let's see a photo of that.
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June 25th, 2017 at 9:45:22 PM permalink
I got bit by a spider in The Valley of fire a few years ago. Day before I left Vegas and in a few days my hand was swollen so that it looked like a baseball had been inplanted. That was one spider. ZK undoubtedly chose the cheapest crash pad he could find and is dealing with dozens of bites. I suspect those insects never tasted a white boy before, and invited all their cousins over.to get them some cursed white boy blood.
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June 27th, 2017 at 9:06:41 AM permalink
Soo.... are we still planning on doing this dinner sometime in the next week? =D
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June 27th, 2017 at 11:19:49 AM permalink
ZK is sick and I don't think he will be coming.
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June 27th, 2017 at 11:48:50 AM permalink
I'm up for a get together, if anyone puts something together. My dance card is wide open except on the 4th itself.
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June 27th, 2017 at 12:09:48 PM permalink
ZK, you mention bedbugs.

Do you know how to examine your bedding to determine if they're present?

I'd tell you, but it'll save time if you google it.
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June 27th, 2017 at 12:17:57 PM permalink
Im also in for dinner or whatever
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June 27th, 2017 at 12:44:42 PM permalink
Maybe Danny Ocean and crew are back in town working for the man and infesting new counters with bugs. Do they still owe a debt to anyone in town?
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June 27th, 2017 at 4:12:04 PM permalink
I have to relinquish my reserved dinner spot: I'm tied up this week. So, if dinner is still on, there's an open seat.

Thanks for the generous offer, monet, even if I can't get there. And even if you have to cancel: I'm sure it is real.
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June 27th, 2017 at 4:20:22 PM permalink
I'd be in for a meetup of any sort.
billryan
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June 27th, 2017 at 5:42:42 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I have to relinquish my reserved dinner spot: I'm tied up this week. So, if dinner is still on, there's an open seat.

Thanks for the generous offer, monet, even if I can't get there. And even if you have to cancel: I'm sure it is real.




I'm pretty sure the Monet thing is off. It was very generous of him to offer but circumstances have changed. I think anyone wanting to attend should expect to pay their own way.
As Romes and Gamer are from out of town, I think they should pick the night. that works for them. Most of us have pretty flexible schedules.
I'm in any nite but the 4th.
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June 28th, 2017 at 8:03:41 AM permalink
I'm fairly flexible as well, though I suppose Sunday evening is probably open for me to just throw that out as a starter date. We can all plan a regular meetup and still grab dinner, chat, or play something... I'd love to play some blackjack with ZK.

Who's all interested and does Sunday around 6pm sound like an okay time to meetup for dinner? Throw some dinner options out there!
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June 28th, 2017 at 8:16:18 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I'm fairly flexible as well, though I suppose Sunday evening is probably open for me to just throw that out as a starter date. We can all plan a regular meetup and still grab dinner, chat, or play something... I'd love to play some blackjack with ZK.

Who's all interested and does Sunday around 6pm sound like an okay time to meetup for dinner? Throw some dinner options out there!


Last time I played blackjack with you, I got backed off. This sounds like a conspiracy....

Coincidence?

YOU DECIDE!!!
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June 28th, 2017 at 8:28:40 AM permalink
YES I am in with playing BJ with ZK

Don't make fun of me when I screw up basic strategy. I'll be your cover ;)
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June 28th, 2017 at 8:31:53 AM permalink
OMG can we fill an entire table up with BJ players to play with ZK? =)
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June 28th, 2017 at 8:41:16 AM permalink
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OMG can we fill an entire table up with BJ players to play with ZK? =)

In that case skip the casino and I'll host it and book the action. If ZK thinks pre shuffled cards from China are bad....
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 29th, 2017 at 10:02:03 AM permalink
Romes, sunday works. Not sure who else wants to come out, since everyone hates me on this forum.
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June 29th, 2017 at 10:56:12 AM permalink
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Romes, sunday works. Not sure who else wants to come out, since everyone hates me on this forum.



I'm pretty sure no one here hates you.
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June 29th, 2017 at 11:15:44 AM permalink
Pretty sure The Cortez will be happy to set us up with our own table. Just call them and refer them to this thread. We will be welcomed with open arms. They might even send a photographer.
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June 29th, 2017 at 11:41:11 AM permalink
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Romes, sunday works. Not sure who else wants to come out, since everyone hates me on this forum.

Criticism != hate. I'm sure we'll get a crowd =P. Who else is good for Sunday evening around 6pm? Axel? RS? How about the other 6 people that were going to do dinner already? Anyone else?
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June 29th, 2017 at 1:12:43 PM permalink
I'm good for Sunday at 6
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June 29th, 2017 at 1:13:30 PM permalink
I'm tentatively good for Sunday as well.
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June 29th, 2017 at 1:36:27 PM permalink
I'm good for dinner. Doubt I'll stick around for the after dinner festivities.
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:09:28 PM permalink
You guys really.need to learn to plan your events around my schedule. I will be there Aug 19th
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:15:51 PM permalink
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I'm pretty sure no one here hates you.

No one hates u. Just dont make yourself sound like a fanatic and trouble maker. A lot of people here rely on low key to make a living.
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:20:17 PM permalink
I love steak dinner. Count me in. However, I will not be in town on Sunday, so box my dinner and put in freezer. I will enjoy it when I come in. Thanks in advance.
P.S. I will chip in $10 as tips.
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:27:43 PM permalink
Sweet, sounds like 6pm Sunday is going to work out well. So now we just need a place. Could do standard Triple 7 pub in Main Street Station, less anyone else has better suggestions? I'm open to most anything...
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June 29th, 2017 at 2:41:33 PM permalink
I'll be there getting all of your pictures and selling them to all of the AP databases. 😆
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June 29th, 2017 at 3:45:34 PM permalink
If I'm available, I don't mind hanging out, but I don't want to be playing BJ at the same table if you guys are counting. It's not worth possible heat. I will be glad to observe and take some action. With a small group, I suggest we keep the location private and among known members. I think I have everyone's numbers of people who will want to attend, if not, anyone can contact me via PM.

If you guys feel its not worth exposing yourself to the casino we can always round up some cards, shoe, chips and go somewhere fun, like pool sharks or whatever( most of the guys like shooting a little pool) And we can see just how good you guys are at counting. We can move on after that and do something different(poker or whatever).

If we shoot some pool I can probbaly get my GF to go. I doubt she would be interested in hanging out at the casino watching people gamble and hearing us all BS about gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 29th, 2017 at 5:46:11 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If I'm available, I don't mind hanging out, but I don't want to be playing BJ at the same table if you guys are counting. It's not worth possible heat. I will be glad to observe and take some action. With a small group, I suggest we keep the location private and among known members. I think I have everyone's numbers of people who will want to attend, if not, anyone can contact me via PM.

I like this.. You can contact everyone to set up a place then =D... Looking forward to your text!

Quote: AxelWolf

If you guys feel its not worth exposing yourself to the casino we can always round up some cards, shoe, chips and go somewhere fun, like pool sharks or whatever( most of the guys like shooting a little pool) And we can see just how good you guys are at counting.

Hey now, it's been a while since I've done a lot of counting ;-) lol... I think the preliminary plans were just for dinner, but obviously I'm up for whatever (especially watching or even playing with ZK). I guarantee I can lay down good "drunk" cover for him as his friend... "cmon p*ssy BET THE BLACK ONES!"

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...We can move on after that and do something different(poker or whatever).

Oh, I didn't realize you wanted to donate money to us too =D.

Quote: AxelWolf

If we shoot some pool I can probbaly get my GF to go. I doubt she would be interested in hanging out at the casino watching people gamble and hearing us all BS about gambling.

Again, I'm down for whatever. Don't want you guys hustling me in pool, so expect little action on the pool table, but other props are always fair game!
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June 29th, 2017 at 6:48:19 PM permalink
I can't shoot pool worth a damn but I'd hang out and watch.

We would play something like PGP or Craps where there isn't so much heat, if anyone's willing to play a -EV game.

I'm down for whatever though.
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June 30th, 2017 at 6:47:33 PM permalink
-7315 / 82 hours.

Im just lost for words, really am. Frustrated isnt the word. Im sick of putting so much work into somethind and never getting results. The amount of bull$hit ive seen on a comsistent basis over these past 1000 hours is starting to make me go insane. Im just convinced theres not anotber counter as cursed as me. Go ask anyone what theyve made after 1000 hours and i bet theyre all at EV or very close to it. Meanwhile im at half my EV, if that. Im absolutely gutted.

Right when you think things are turning around, i play two shoes that end up with a TC of 10+ on each of them when the cut card comes out, and have the dealer pull 6 card 20s and 21s at a monster count against my 19s and 20s and lose both shoes. It doesnt even matter anymore if i have two pat 20s against a 4,5, or 6 with max bets out or a doubled down 19, 20, or 21, i wont win them, it will just be a dealer 20 or 21. You would think luck would start cancelling out after this many hours but no, i just keep getting tortured. Im just convinced no other counter has been this unlucky. I just wish ppl would watch me play and see for themselves just how cursed i really am. Skill is absolutely irrelvant in my life, no matter what the fuk i do, im always the 1 in 100 guy, the 1 % sucker. What the hell is even the point anymore?
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June 30th, 2017 at 6:58:41 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I can't shoot pool worth a damn but I'd hang out and watch.

We would play something like PGP or Craps where there isn't so much heat, if anyone's willing to play a -EV game.

I'm down for whatever though.

Whomever is interested should text or PM me please. I should have to PM.or text multiple people it's better if everyone texts or PM's me.
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June 30th, 2017 at 7:03:35 PM permalink
82 hours of advantage play is nothing! Especially when your playing straight up! lets say your getting 10k of coin in an hour... that's only worth 8200 at 1% return. I've easily swung 5% in either direction with that amount of total hours. You really just need more hours and more coin in... it's that simple. 82 hours is basically two weeks of work for a regular stiff but they work jobs where they don't lose.

At your age and hustle you should be getting 80 hours a week IMO.
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June 30th, 2017 at 7:15:10 PM permalink
That's it. 82 hours and you've been there for over a month? Nice life!
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June 30th, 2017 at 7:19:55 PM permalink
ZK are you actually counting each card or are you just betting a lot when you "get the feeling" a lot of small cards have come out?

You seem like the least qualifier card counter ever, both in terms of attitude and understanding of statistics.

Your whole approach is logically flawed: you are placing your faith in the mathematics of the game by counting cards, yet you also insist you are "cursed" and "unlucky" via some mystical force.

My advice to you is to take the rest of your bankroll to a craps table with 10x odds and YOLO it all one session; at least then you'd have a chance to win.

You are clearly not cut out to be a card counter or any other kind of advantage player. Time to find a real job.
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June 30th, 2017 at 7:36:16 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

ZK are you actually counting each card or are you just betting a lot when you "get the feeling" a lot of small cards have come out?

You seem like the least qualifier card counter ever, both in terms of attitude and understanding of statistics.

Your whole approach is logically flawed: you are placing your faith in the mathematics of the game by counting cards, yet you also insist you are "cursed" and "unlucky" via some mystical force.

My advice to you is to take the rest of your bankroll to a craps table with 10x odds and YOLO it all one session; at least then you'd have a chance to win.

You are clearly not cut out to be a card counter or any other kind of advantage player. Time to find a real job.



PS Soda (or I) doesn't hate you. He is offering constructive criticism, and he is right. Stop bellyachin' and start killing the casinos! You haven't gone down any more in the past couple of weeks -- did the casinos stop cheating?
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June 30th, 2017 at 7:42:58 PM permalink
You need to go to dealer's school to learn the ins and outs of dealing blackjack; then work in the casinos long enough for the PB to take you under his wing and show you how they really cheat the players.

Then quit and go back to playing, as you'll be armed with sufficient knowledge to make the casinos your private ATM.

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June 30th, 2017 at 7:57:22 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

82 hours of advantage play is nothing! Especially when your playing straight up! lets say your getting 10k of coin in an hour... that's only worth 8200 at 1% return. I've easily swung 5% in either direction with that amount of total hours. You really just need more hours and more coin in... it's that simple. 82 hours is basically two weeks of work for a regular stiff but they work jobs where they don't lose.

At your age and hustle you should be getting 80 hours a week IMO.



What about the other 900 hours? Im close to 1000 hours and only $34,200 profit to show for it. My EV is well over 60k and thats being conservative. Just sick of being on the wrong side of the bell curve. Just want this ridiculous bad luck to cancel out and it doesnt. Yea only 82 hours played but ive probably put in over 30 hrs of walking, so i havent exactly been slacking.

To the other poster 'soda', you cant be serious, you actually think im betting on a hunch? Unreal. Im playing as flawless as any counter can and even using a higher level count to bump up my win rate another 10% and cut variance a bit. Higher level counts in the real world dont really matter much actually, but theoretically should be bumping up my win rate a bite. Everything about my game is solid.

Id put up my whole bankroll to any doubter thinking theres a hole in my game. I test myself on Casino Verite all the time and my game is solid. TC conversion is perfect, i know every single index play from -1 to +12, i wong out aggressively at -1, i backcount a ton, i now even lowered my stakes to keep risk as low as possible and factored in rent amd miscellaneous expenses. Ive looked over my game as much as i could and i domt see anythimg wrong with it other than the dealer pulling miraculous 6 card 21s at the worst times that result in $1000 swings when i have premium hands and a big favorite on that round. If i camt win those rounds, i domt see how ill ever hit EV.
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Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
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June 30th, 2017 at 8:11:59 PM permalink
Time to join Morgangsters army! I mean, he's making $210,000 scores betting $10!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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