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Romes
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May 19th, 2017 at 11:31:01 AM permalink
Congrats on taking the leap and moving to Vegas, ZK. At the end of the day it takes balls to gather up your bankroll and make the move, and no one can take that from you. Now, just gotta grind out those hours and not get heated up around town!

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...Regarding blackjack today in vegas, i started off horribly, my first shoe, count skyrocketed from the beginning and was down a quick 2500, but recovered nicely and played another shoe right after and ended the session with a quick 300 profit only to lose 100 at caesars, which put me at a +200 for the night.

Were these at the same place? I assume the count skyrocketing in the first shoe would have meant exposing max bets... and you played another shoe after that (no doubt reducing your bet size at the beginning of the next shoe)?? This is the stuff you can get away with in other towns (a little bit more) but if you sully your name in Vegas playing higher amounts without a card can be done, but will make your grind that much more difficult. Also, I would call out amounts and names of places (probably never names of actual places even though we want to know =P).

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I didn't play much today as I'm still tired from the long trip and still getting situated. Never again am I driving cross country by myself and its not because I got tired, I stayed at 3 different motels and took my time really, it was just pretty boring, i thought there woulf be a lot more to see even being on the interstate, but all i saw were farms and flatlands.

Gotta ask PokerGrinder how he does it. That man is a driving machine.

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Oh and by the way, looks like someone owes Mooseton for betting against me getting to Vegas. Pay up

Cheeky... =). Again, well done. I'll be in Vegas at the end of next month. Perhaps we could grab a beer and talk about your first month in Vegas? I'd love to hear how it goes and provide any feedback/advice if you wanted it.

...Does Axel own you yet?
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May 19th, 2017 at 12:35:17 PM permalink
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Autism, really? Lol. I'd be worried about you if you can't tell the difference between anxiety and something like autism. My first big road trip and was carrying a bunch of cash and I didn't know what to expect especially after hearing some of the horror stories. In my opinion, it's normal to ask a lot of questions for something like I was about to go through. Like mooseton said, I just had a bit of apprehension and a lot of anxiety because the last thing I need is having my bankroll seized. Couple that with the fact I do overthink a lot and maybe some of the stuff I was saying or asking was becoming a bit ridiculous, but i was just a bit stressed out.

But I digress. I'm happy to report that I made it all the way across the country. I think others on here were trolling me getting me worked up and got me overly paranoid about the cops. By staying the speed limit and sometimes at most 5 over, nothing happened. Not to mention I only saw 3 cops on my side of the road(westbound) the whole trip. The other times that I saw cops they were waiting on the east bound side. I thought I would've seen a lot more. I didn't even see one cop in the aforementioned corrupt Oklahoma. Once I got through corrupt Tennessee, I had a feeling I was overreacting this whole time before my trip.

Regarding blackjack today in vegas, i started off horribly, my first shoe, count skyrocketed from the beginning and was down a quick 2500, but recovered nicely and played another shoe right after and ended the session with a quick 300 profit only to lose 100 at caesars, which put me at a +200 for the night. I didn't play much today as I'm still tired from the long trip and still getting situated. Never again am I driving cross country by myself and its not because I got tired, I stayed at 3 different motels and took my time really, it was just pretty boring, i thought there woulf be a lot more to see even being on the interstate, but all i saw were farms and flatlands.

1st day I drove 500 miles. 2nd day 800 miles. 3rd day 800 miles. And half of the 4th day I put in the last 500 miles and got there in the afternoon. 3.5 days to get to vegas and all went pretty well. Only took me $250 in gas and $200 in motels. Now its time to put in the work.

P.S., I did drive the whole way with 23k in my shoes. LOL. I ended up depositing most of it before the trip. By the way, Axel I don't have 68k I had 60k, but after first months rent up front and gas expenses and motels to get here I'm at around 58.5k.

Oh and by the way, looks like someone owes Mooseton for betting against me getting to Vegas. Pay up

Congratulations on your successful arrival and the beginning of your Vegas AP dream. No matter how much shit we give/gave you(I doubt it will be the last time), I really do hope you can find your way and become successful. Just relax, don't go fighting battles you probably can't win, and even if you do, you will probably lose the war.
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I'm not sure why you didn't bet on yourself? I think you missed out on an AP.

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Oh sorry only 58K. That is 57k more than I had when I stopped working( I didn't even have a car yet.) Obviously, I started playing stuff with big overlays that had almost zero risk. The risk was not knowing how long things would last or what the future would hold.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 19th, 2017 at 5:52:10 PM permalink
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By staying the speed limit and sometimes at most 5 over, nothing happened.

I usually drive "speed limit +9 mph" if cops might be around. They like to ticket 11-15 mph over (or higher), so 9 mph is to give me a little buffer. Exceptions: (1) Faster cars I can follow (2) passing (3) Everyone driving fast.

Stopped carrying a radar detector...after driving "x+9".

In windy roads, my female friends' target is "2x speed limit - 10" (15 mph posting, drive 20 mph) (35 posted, drive 60).
She's probably a better driver than me. I can usually do 2x-10 on roads I know, but it's too fast for me on new curves.

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Also, I would call out amounts and names of places (probably never names of actual places even though we want to know =P).

Ditto. Don't mention Vegas casino names in your posts. Especially, with amount of max bets & spread.

That's why I don't give exact numbers (or post pictures) of jackpots on WoV. Can be easily tracked (especially if you hit something in the last few days). A specific amount like $23,457.36 sticks out. Casino exec might see your post & match to a name.

Large cash outs on tables might remembered. Say $20K-30K instead of $23K.
ZenKinG
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May 19th, 2017 at 8:08:43 PM permalink
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Congrats on taking the leap and moving to Vegas, ZK. At the end of the day it takes balls to gather up your bankroll and make the move, and no one can take that from you. Now, just gotta grind out those hours and not get heated up around town!

Were these at the same place? I assume the count skyrocketing in the first shoe would have meant exposing max bets... and you played another shoe after that (no doubt reducing your bet size at the beginning of the next shoe)?? This is the stuff you can get away with in other towns (a little bit more) but if you sully your name in Vegas playing higher amounts without a card can be done, but will make your grind that much more difficult. Also, I would call out amounts and names of places (probably never names of actual places even though we want to know =P).

Gotta ask PokerGrinder how he does it. That man is a driving machine.

Cheeky... =). Again, well done. I'll be in Vegas at the end of next month. Perhaps we could grab a beer and talk about your first month in Vegas? I'd love to hear how it goes and provide any feedback/advice if you wanted it.

...Does Axel own you yet?



Thanks romes. Yea i played two shoes with max bet shown twice at the same place and same table. I guess that was already poor judgment and discipline to start off, but i really didnt want to start off my trip down 1k after first shoe(was down 2500 mid shoe) so i played another and left immediately after it and luckily turned a profit.
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:05:18 PM permalink
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i really didnt want to start off my trip down 1k after first shoe(was down 2500 mid shoe)

And that's exactly how people end up chasing losses and then go on tilt. That's among one of the top reasons some of the smartest guys who have made a run at AP ended up going broke.


Next thing you know you will not want to end your first 2 weeks down, then your first week down, then each day, then each casino.

Don't think about it as sessions, days, weeks, months.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ZenKinG
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May 20th, 2017 at 8:03:50 AM permalink
Well it looks like in my first actual full day of playing, i get rocked for 5k. Just the start i needed. Unreal. Already have to begin to resize my bets. Last thing i need to happen is returning home and being labeled a 'failure' and have people tell me 'i told you so'. Might even consider getting a side job to build this bankroll to 75k in the meantime. Right now at 53k i feel pretty vulnerable considering living expenses now. It was just yesterday i was at home rent free with 60k and a week later after gas and motels across country and a 5k loss im at 53k with recurring expenses.
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May 20th, 2017 at 8:12:47 AM permalink
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Well it looks like in my first actual full day of playing, i get rocked for 5k. Just the start i needed. Unreal. Already have to begin to resize my bets. Last thing i need to happen is returning home and being labeled a 'failure' and have people tell me 'i told you so'. Might even consider getting a side job to build this bankroll to 75k in the meantime. Right now at 53k i feel pretty vulnerable considering living expenses now. It was just yesterday i was at home rent free with 60k and a week later after gas and motels across country and a 5k loss im at 53k with recurring expenses.


Post this on one of Morgenstern's blackjack videos and show his followers what card counting is REALLY like.
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May 20th, 2017 at 8:24:52 AM permalink
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Well it looks like in my first actual full day of playing, i get rocked for 5k. Just the start i needed. Unreal. Already have to begin to resize my bets. Last thing i need to happen is returning home and being labeled a 'failure' and have people tell me 'i told you so'. Might even consider getting a side job to build this bankroll to 75k in the meantime. Right now at 53k i feel pretty vulnerable considering living expenses now. It was just yesterday i was at home rent free with 60k and a week later after gas and motels across country and a 5k loss im at 53k with recurring expenses.


If one bad loss is going to rock your world this hard then I am sorry to say you don't have what it takes to live this lifestyle. I play poker for a living not BJ but my G-d if I let one bad day shake my whole world I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. Also your first day worrying about not starting off your "trip" with a loss so you stay too long at one store is insane. First off this isn't a "trip", you moved to Vegas to be a pro this is your life now not a trip. Second the game never ends don't worry about booking a loss one day when technically the game never ends whether it's over one day or a week of "sessions"

I wish you good luck but you need to learn not to be a hot head with authority always proving you're right. You also need to get a better mind set about losses. Just shake them off, if you're playing a winning game you will get there eventually. I've had 10k downswings when the cards aren't falling my way. Guess what I always came out the other side of variance so why worry about it while stuck in the bad variance. Just shrug it off and do what you have to do! Good luck ZK
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May 20th, 2017 at 8:29:07 AM permalink
Getting a PT job and taking a breath is the best call you can make. The casinos will still be there. Axel hit it on the head with the talk of tilt.

Relax!
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May 20th, 2017 at 8:41:48 AM permalink
Also don't worry about your friends and family thinking you are a failure if this doesn't work. Who cares what they think. You can't worry about that, it will eat you alive if everytime you have a losing session you are worried about what others think of your lifestyle.

You are not a failure whether you do this for the next 40 years or only make it 40 days.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. Amarillo Slim Preston

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