odiousgambit
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April 16th, 2017 at 3:20:55 AM permalink
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By helping advantage players avoid common pitfalls and improve the subtlety of their play, we make it harder for casinos to pick off plays and identify skilled players. That benefits everyone. It means more money to go around before leaks and loopholes are closed, which means more money for you—and for us.



From their 'mission statement'.

Hmmmm. But casinos can't learn something? It's hard for me to believe that APs welcome any output of information that is so public. But since I am not amongst their ranks I won't try to speak for them.
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Boz
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April 16th, 2017 at 4:10:32 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If I had to guess, he got pied handsomely to do that.



And at the end of the day, getting paid for all your hard work is all that matters. People who say they worry about the legacy of their work leave money on the table. If Elliot max cashed in on his work, good for him.
prozema
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April 16th, 2017 at 6:35:38 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

. I want to share this insight with the AP community at large because I believe that “bad” APs or new APs with bad habits cost all advantage players money in the long run"

TMI also cost all advantage players money in the long run.



I assume bad and new APs cost other APs money by somehow killing plays. I also assume that talking about good opportunities fills up seats and makes the play less profitable. This seems like a catch 22. Are there any reasonable solutions? How do you teach someone to get better without talking about a specific game or technique?

Risking TMI, are plays like hole carding MSS and TCP, or vulturing VP already dead? The strategies are clearly doucmeted and published. Or do people still screw it up for others somehow?

I'll freely admit that I'm new and I'd hate to think my poor play is costing everyone by closing an opportunity. On the other hand, if I get my cheeks in the seat before you, then that's the way the ball bounces, right?

If the problem is something like too many vultures filling too many seats, so all you can find is a single nickels game with a single 2x, it seems like the solution is less blogs, books, and forums not more. On the other hand, I've watched some vultures that are dressed marginally better than a homeless person and noticed that they don't even check $1+ denominations. I would call skipping high denominations poor advantage play. And sure, we are all losing a few bucks at the nickels level, but no one is going to pay a mortgage betting nickels. Right?

I think I only called out well known plays, and didn't mention any locations, so I think I avoided TMI... But from a pragmatic point of view, how do I get better while still being allowed to play and not screw it up for everyone else?

Finally, as I was writing I couldn't help but think that there should be some guidelines established for discussing advantage play, like the wizards ten commandments of gambling. Does that exist anywhere?

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teliot
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April 16th, 2017 at 9:14:47 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

And at the end of the day, getting paid for all your hard work is all that matters. People who say they worry about the legacy of their work leave money on the table. If Elliot max cashed in on his work, good for him.

Yes. I sold APHeat to 888 last August. I offered my site to Zuga ... They didn't bite. I am very happy with the sale.

As 4 the blog that is in consideration here, I hope to see some articles on beating automatic and continuous Shuffle machines. There is some big stuff going on that I know very little about.
InTimeForSpace1
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April 16th, 2017 at 9:40:43 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

There is some big stuff going on that I know very little about.

I'm more interested in the real stuff of which I know nothing.
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LostWages
April 16th, 2017 at 9:48:16 AM permalink
Looks good. Already some articles generating some discussion, hopefully the content continues. A few thoughts:

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casino advantage play is essentially about finding hidden value



There is absolutely nothing hidden about comped drinks, the casinos want everyone to know about them. And it's even debatable about how much value there is in spending $15 in EV to buy a round of drinks. For the more profitable advantage plays, there have been movies made about playing blackjack, the best video poker games often have huge screens screaming over 100%. Casino advantage play is entirely about being able to take away the house advantage and make it a player advantage. Hence the term Advantage Player
Ibeatyouraces
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April 16th, 2017 at 10:15:45 AM permalink
Should be interesting.
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DiscreteMaths2
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prozemamamat
April 16th, 2017 at 11:03:50 AM permalink
I think explaining how to do something in principle is ok or about old games/machines that aren't on any gaming floors anymore. Where I think you get into trouble is when you are essentially writing a tutorial on what exactly to do. Like go to xyz casino, play abc game, bring $1234 bankroll, place $123 on the defg bets and you will make $12.34 an hour. Basically when you take all the effort out and all a person has to do is show up with money. If you look at articles online about stuff like basic strategy for blackjack or house edge for craps and they are given a lot of negative feedback and people saying that its wrong despite being 100% mathematically correct shows having to apply knowledge yourself is just too big a hurdle for the average gambler.
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mcallister3200
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April 16th, 2017 at 1:57:26 PM permalink
If you have to ask if it is TMI, someone somewhere considers it TMI. On one hand, most people who cry TMI are quite hypocritical/self serving about it, otoh things like EJ's site were just too much damn info for anybody including irrational thinking/rash reaction casinos management.
Hunterhill
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April 16th, 2017 at 2:18:39 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Yes. I sold APHeat to 888 last August. I offered my site to Zuga ... They didn't bite. I am very happy with the sale.

As 4 the blog that is in consideration here, I hope to see some articles on beating automatic and continuous Shuffle machines. There is some big stuff going on that I know very little about.


I certainly hope not to see any articles about beating csms or asms,that would clearly fall under TMI.
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