Hunterhill
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March 6th, 2017 at 6:14:37 PM permalink
Everywhere is rigged, so you might as well just give up.
What we've got here is failure to communicate
Keyser
Keyser
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March 6th, 2017 at 7:10:10 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Ive now played 716.5 hours with 75% of those hours at 2x50-2x250 and im 25k under EV. And this is assuming a very conservative 60 rounds per hour when backcounting. I just dont understand what Im doing wrong or if im just plain unlucky or the state of PA is as corrupt as people say they are. From doing a bit of research, it looks like the PA gaming commission has a history of being corrupt. This leads me to believe me that being 25k under EV after a good sample size of over 700 hours that these casinos are cheating in some type of fashion, especially Harrahs in Philly. Either there are less 10s and aces than normal or it's being stacked with small cards, has to be one or the other. I dont play pitch games, so the dealers dealing seconds is not even a thought. I really dont know what else to conclude at this point. Yes this is another rant and need to get it off my chest. Im absolutely disgusted with my results. I expected A LOT more especially playing such great games.

If anyone is wondering, Vegas is cancelled until further notice. Bad variance has ruined it. Bankroll is at 45k and while i can move there and get a job, that's really not in my interest and it will be hard to get something anyway in such short notice, at least a decent paying job.



Good grief, why are you trying to count cards when you can hole card instead? The counting edge is so pitifully low that it's really a waste of time. Hole carding has a much higher edge.

Take off for Indiana, or FL and devour the weak dealers. Both locations are overflowing with opportunities and ripe with inefficient casinos that are making too much money.
Last edited by: Keyser on Mar 6, 2017
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
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March 6th, 2017 at 8:04:04 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Good grief, why are you trying to count cards when you can hole card instead? The counting edge is so pitifully low that it's really a waste of time. Hole carding has a much higher edge.

Take off for Indiana, or FL and devour the weak dealers. Both locations are overflowing with opportunities and ripe with inefficient casinos that are making too much money.


Probably not much longer...
"And that's the bottom lineeeee, cuz Stone Cold said so!"
WatchMeWin
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March 7th, 2017 at 4:44:22 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Ive now played 716.5 hours with 75% of those hours at 2x50-2x250 and im 25k under EV. And this is assuming a very conservative 60 rounds per hour when backcounting. I just dont understand what Im doing wrong or if im just plain unlucky or the state of PA is as corrupt as people say they are. From doing a bit of research, it looks like the PA gaming commission has a history of being corrupt. This leads me to believe me that being 25k under EV after a good sample size of over 700 hours that these casinos are cheating in some type of fashion, especially Harrahs in Philly. Either there are less 10s and aces than normal or it's being stacked with small cards, has to be one or the other. I dont play pitch games, so the dealers dealing seconds is not even a thought. I really dont know what else to conclude at this point. Yes this is another rant and need to get it off my chest. Im absolutely disgusted with my results. I expected A LOT more especially playing such great games.

If anyone is wondering, Vegas is cancelled until further notice. Bad variance has ruined it. Bankroll is at 45k and while i can move there and get a job, that's really not in my interest and it will be hard to get something anyway in such short notice, at least a decent paying job.



Come on over to the craps tables today in Philly Harrahs.. Ill show you how to win in craps. They dont fix dice ..that Im aware of.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
TomG
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Thanks for this post from:
AxelWolfRomesbeachbumbabsCalder
March 7th, 2017 at 5:24:21 AM permalink
Having $45,000, (along with a car, your health, and a job skill) is more than enough to drive across the country and live in a new place to live. If you can't do that with as much money as you have now, you will never have enough money
bobbartop
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March 7th, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Thanks, but i test myself enough on verite to know im playing perfectly. Yes it's not the same as being in a casino, but the casino never has been able to rattle me since day 1. I always keep my composure, never get distracted, dont drink, etc.




Why post for advice if you're not willing to listen?
Don't believe anything until it is officially denied.
SOOPOO
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March 7th, 2017 at 7:32:37 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Im close to 1 SD down.



There are some very kind, bright, helpful APs here. Once you posted that single sentence I am amazed a single one takes you seriously anymore.

It leaves only two possibilities--

1. You are trolling.
2. You have not even the most basic understanding of variance, to think being down 1 SD is worthy of a thread.

Which is it?
mcallister3200
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March 7th, 2017 at 7:55:20 AM permalink
Simply put it is apparent that you just don't have the temperament to AP full time. Keep it as a serious hobby.
mamat
mamat
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March 7th, 2017 at 8:21:03 AM permalink
BJ counters are sometimes called "mechanics", and playing can be called "grinding it out".

For good reason
(1) The edge is small
(2) Bankroll required for safe play is very high.
(3) You might run negative for one year or longer.

In the 1990s, a friend (Won WSOP main event, and Dad wrote his Ph.D. on blackjack) explained to me that
(a) Maybe you win 0.5+ bets per HOUR
(b) At $5 BJ to make $2.50-7.50/hr you might want $4,000 bankroll (400X).
It was my introduction to RoR analysis.

It's VERY VERY common for people to overbet their bankroll.

Doesn't matter if you drink or talk while you play.
I learned to play cards in school, while drinking, talking with friends, and staying up all night for 36 hrs.

What matters is your actual skill in playing in the real world...
(a) Are you able to locate games with good penetration & conditions good for play?
(b) How long can you play without getting booted?
(c) What is your real world error rate?
(d) Are you able to get the big bets out, and bet enough at high odds, to make up for bets at <100% (given needs for camouflage)?
Zcore13
Zcore13
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March 7th, 2017 at 8:31:26 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Come on over to the craps tables today in Philly Harrahs.. Ill show you how to win in craps. They dont fix dice ..that Im aware of.



That's great advice. Leave a game that he can win at long term for one he can't.


ZCore13
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