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March 5th, 2017 at 6:20:09 PM permalink
Still a newbie, and I'm confused. On Wizard's main website, there are four basic strategy charts. Go to the last one, where the player has already doubled. And say, for example, on the second line, you have a hard 7. If the dealer has an 8 thru Ace, the play is to "R", or surrender.

Can someone give me an example of how one might get to that situation?

Be patient with me, I'm kinda slow.
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March 5th, 2017 at 6:50:45 PM permalink
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Still a newbie, and I'm confused. On Wizard's main website, there are four basic strategy charts. Go to the last one, where the player has already doubled. And say, for example, on the second line, you have a hard 7. If the dealer has an 8 thru Ace, the play is to "R", or surrender.

Can someone give me an example of how one might get to that situation?

Be patient with me, I'm kinda slow.


It's there just for completeness. Say you are drunk and mistaken a dealer 8 for a 6. Then you realize you screwed up. Now you know what to do.
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March 5th, 2017 at 7:27:03 PM permalink
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It's there just for completeness. Say you are drunk and mistaken a dealer 8 for a 6. Then you realize you screwed up. Now you know what to do.




Thank you.
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March 8th, 2017 at 2:46:08 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

It's there just for completeness. Say you are drunk and mistaken a dealer 8 for a 6. Then you realize you screwed up. Now you know what to do.




I see the lesson was edited some time ago. Do you suppose there are any other surprises in Wizard's work on this subject? He must be a busy man.
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March 8th, 2017 at 6:54:06 AM permalink
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Still a newbie, and I'm confused. On Wizard's main website, there are four basic strategy charts. Go to the last one, where the player has already doubled. And say, for example, on the second line, you have a hard 7. If the dealer has an 8 thru Ace, the play is to "R", or surrender.

Can someone give me an example of how one might get to that situation?



Let's say you have a 2 and 3 and the dealer is showing a 10. Somebody puts a gun to your head and says "double down or die. " You double and get another 2. The guy with the gun says "Do what you want" and leaves. What do you do? Your choices are stand or surrender.

I assure you if I didn't address this situation, please would write to me and ask how to play it.
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March 8th, 2017 at 11:43:37 AM permalink
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Let's say you have a 2 and 3 and the dealer is showing a 10. Somebody puts a gun to your head and says "double down or die. " You double and get another 2. The guy with the gun says "Do what you want" and leaves. What do you do? Your choices are stand or surrender.

I assure you if I didn't address this situation, please would write to me and ask how to play it.




Thank you for confirming Miplet's well written response. Thank you both, I get it now. Did I mention I'm a little slow?
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March 10th, 2017 at 9:12:47 AM permalink
Still working on Basic Strategy but I can see the players are just awful at this game. I'm not playing with Black Chip players, just mostly Reds and some few Greens, but they're awful. In places I've played at the casinos are wasting a lot of time. When hand-shuffling shoes they're spending an incredible amount of time screwing around. News flash! No one is shuffle tracking! And if I was a wheel I'd tell every dealer to cut off half a deck, not one and a half decks. Heck, deal to the last card, the players are awful, nobody gives a crap. Go ahead and safeguard the regular blackjack tables but speed this game up and relax.
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March 10th, 2017 at 5:42:31 PM permalink
Ok. You are confused because the table you are referred to is another Spanish 21 game that can be redouble many times. Say, you have 2,3 against dealer 6 . You double, get a 8, now you have 13. Now you can stand, redouble, or surrender. So, the right way is Stand. If the dealer has 8- A , you surrender.
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March 10th, 2017 at 6:01:31 PM permalink
In your question, you get 7, because you have 2, 3, you double, and get a 2 , so now you have 7 .
Now you have choises of stand, redouble, or surrender. By the rule, you cannot hit.
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March 10th, 2017 at 10:26:36 PM permalink
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Ok. You are confused because the table you are referred to is another Spanish 21 game that can be redouble many times. Say, you have 2,3 against dealer 6 . You double, get a 8, now you have 13. Now you can stand, redouble, or surrender. So, the right way is Stand. If the dealer has 8- A , you surrender.
Understand? If not , I will try to explain it more.




Thank you for trying to help me, but my original question did not ask about a situation where the dealer shows a 6, only 8 thru Ace.

Now I know that the Wizard did this intentionally just to mess with my head, caring nothing about my monthly expenses for psychiatric sessions.
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March 11th, 2017 at 5:02:02 AM permalink
Of course you don't understand because you don't know that particular Spanish21 game ( also call pontoon), this game you can double and redouble many times.The last chart of Wizard you mention is that particular game. The reason you get 7, because you already double once. ( may be 1,3 and get 3, or 2,2 and get 3) .
Now, you have to decide what to do next. Wizard says you should surrender against 8 thru A. But redouble against 2-7. You can't hit because that's the rule. If you don't understand, then ask wizard .
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March 11th, 2017 at 6:55:18 PM permalink
I re read your post, now I understand what you are asking,
No one who know this game ( double, redouble, pontoon), will double his first 2 cards of less than 7, against dealer's up cards of 8-A. So, he will not put himself in this bad situation. But if he is drunk, or as Wizard put it that some one put a gun in his head, ask him to double his thirst 2 cards 2, 3 , and get a 2 , now he has 7
The chart tell what to do with this situation. You can only, stand, re double or surrender. The correct play is to surrender. ( against dealer's up cards 8- A).
If you don't understand still, then Ask the Wizard.
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March 11th, 2017 at 9:03:25 PM permalink
Quote: Francisco

I re read your post, now I understand what you are asking,
No one who know this game ( double, redouble, pontoon), will double his first 2 cards of less than 7, against dealer's up cards of 8-A. So, he will not put himself in this bad situation. But if he is drunk, or as Wizard put it that some one put a gun in his head, ask him to double his thirst 2 cards 2, 3 , and get a 2 , now he has 7
The chart tell what to do with this situation. You can only, stand, re double or surrender. The correct play is to surrender. ( against dealer's up cards 8- A).
If you don't understand still, then Ask the Wizard.




Thank you for trying to help me, Francisco. I thought I had it down, until you started talking about Pontoon. The games I have played, (not very many yet), are in Indian casinos in California. There you can double, and re-double. After doubling, of course, your options are redouble, stand, or surrender.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page now. I do find this game a lot of fun so far, win or lose. I am not a regular table game player. I'm a video poker player. Spanish 21 seems a lot more fun than regular blackjack. Perhaps I'll tire of it soon. So far, it's new to me, and fun. I don't strive to gamble for fun, but in this case I make an exception.

Thanks again.
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