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AxiomOfChoice
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March 11th, 2014 at 4:07:20 PM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

I am saying I suspect he does not know perfect basic strategy, and based on his questions and inclination to attack a 60% pen 8-deck, also has no experience counting. I know a counter who thinks he's APing it, but plays with a 70% ROR everytime he walks thru the door.



But how can you suggest a 1-2 spread when "counting for real"?

This is a reasonable way to practice (I guess) without too much of an edge against you.
Sonuvabish
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March 11th, 2014 at 4:13:36 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

But how can you suggest a 1-2 spread when "counting for real"?

This is a reasonable way to practice (I guess) without too much of an edge against you.



I am suggesting that he can practice in a casino rather than at home. I personally think that is better, probably to the contrary of others. I would strongly suggest a tiny spread like that because at the beginning, there's a very high likelihood you will screw up. When starting, I wanted the slow dealers. Now, I want the super fast ones. When confidence is gained and indices are learned, increase the spread. At that point, maybe you can start asking what is an optimal spread.
AxiomOfChoice
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March 11th, 2014 at 4:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

I am suggesting that he can practice in a casino rather than at home. I personally think that is better, probably to the contrary of others. I would strongly suggest a tiny spread like that because at the beginning, there's a very high likelihood you will screw up. When starting, I wanted the slow dealers. Now, I want the super fast ones. When confidence is gained and indices are learned, increase the spread. At that point, maybe you can start asking what is an optimal spread.



Ok, now I understand what you are suggesting. I agree.
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March 11th, 2014 at 4:16:42 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Ok, now I understand what you are suggesting. I agree.



LOL, sorry I confused you.
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March 11th, 2014 at 6:20:14 PM permalink
I have a question: Why do you want to play blackjack? You have a 40k bankroll and play poker for a living. Here are a few more:

1)Did you get that money playing poker only?
2)What stakes do you play at?
3)Do you realize that playing poker well is the best thing you can do in a casino(playing badly is conversely the worst thing you can do)? Blackjack is the second best thing you can do, but it's a far drop from good poker.

You sound like you go on tilt after losses in poker. That happens. I've done it. But you can just take a break from poker and walk around a bit instead of learning all of these new things and possibly go crazy and go broke. You can go broke only betting big with highly positive counts!
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
stabworld
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March 12th, 2014 at 1:01:38 AM permalink
Quote: Kickass

Again, you are over-betting your bankroll. Can you find $10 or $15 game with the similar rules?
Remember that the fluctuation in blackjack is huge.



yes I can find a $15 game..but feel the game is to low of a minimum to make any decent money...i'm looking to average at least $40 - $60 an hour..for my time counting.. I am aware of the fluctuation...
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March 12th, 2014 at 1:08:56 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I do not consider a $400 top bet to be over betting with a bankroll of 40k. Without simming all the details, it falls into the 100 max bet rule of thumb or the 1% used by many advantage players. I don't have a problem with it.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think you can make a living at blackjack playing solely in Connecticut. To have any longevity at all you will have to travel to avoid heat and to seek better games.

Although the Foxwoods 8 deck game is beatable, I feel that it would take considerably more than a 1-16 spread to realize any appreciable profit and that brings us back to longevity.

I don't think straight counting is enough these days. Today's counter must be flexible and willing to explore other AP opportunities.

Now for the boring things that many want to pass over in their rush to the tables to apply their new found skills. This is where I ask everyone to pump the brakes just a little. Learn basic strategy cold. Most swear that they know it and they may even think that they know it. They do not. Knowing 90% or 95% will not cut it. If the commitment cannot be made to learn this simple first step, there is no need to continue.

Basic strategy is not one size fits all. Learn the strategy for the games you are going to play. If you are considering Foxwoods, for example, there are six basic strategy changes for H17. They are important. Do not sit at a table until you know them. It is perfectly acceptable to print out a strategy card to bring to the table as long as you don't slow the game down or cause any other disruptions.

Learn index play and wonging. Look up the Illustrious 18 and the Fab 4. They are all the play variations you will need for now. Avoid playing in negative shoes as much as possible.



1BB- Thank you for your advice. I do agree with and plan to not only play in CT - but venture out into PA and AC .. CT is convenient for me as this is my stomping grounds for my poker living..I do have to study up some more on indexing...Thanks for the advice..on index play.. I'm learning more...I thought it was just plain counting..but I see there are other aspects of Advantage Play..
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March 12th, 2014 at 1:10:53 AM permalink
Quote: arcticfun

I agree with 1BB -- $400 is aggressive but certainly playable at a $40k bankroll.

My thoughts are: play at Mohegan rather than Foxwoods (favorable grandfather laws, 6D instead of 8, S17 instead of H17, nicer in general, all at the expense of an additional 5-10% penetration at Foxwoods); play head-to-head when possible (when off-peak ask for the $10 tables to be bumped to $25 and play that), and also consider the $50 table if you care about status and points. Red-chip at first if you want to practice, but move quickly to green/black because the gains would otherwise be way too slow.

Playing everyday 8h a day in the same place -- even a monstrously large casino like Mohegan -- is probably too risky. Take breaks, ranging from hours to weeks long, and be aware of pit critters hovering above your table or around the phone. At MS, I've found that the place is so busy and the pit bosses have so much to do that you won't get undue attention unless in the black/purple betting range.



Sound Advice...Thank You arcticfun!
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March 12th, 2014 at 1:11:20 AM permalink
Quote: stabworld

yes I can find a $15 game..but feel the game is to low of a minimum to make any decent money...i'm looking to average at least $40 - $60 an hour..for my time counting.. I am aware of the fluctuation...



Lowering your minimum wager increases your hourly win rate, it doesn't decrease it.
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March 12th, 2014 at 1:16:20 AM permalink
Quote: Lemieux66

Make sure you have a tolerance for cigarette smoke. Even in the non-smoking areas the air quality isn't nearly as good as in the poker room. Oh and you WILL be playing by smokers if the penetration is good so be ready for that.



Thats the one thing I hate is cigarette smoke..I will try to play in the non-smoking areas..if possible..

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