$0.50 fee per hand - how does this affect the house edge?
Many Oklahoma casinos do not charge an ante. You might want to check the ones in your area to see if any offer ante-free play either all the time or under certain conditions (sometimes, if your bet is more than $x, or if you use a players card, or if it's Tuesday...).
It makes it enough for you to start thinking of saving up the money altogether and driving out of Oklahoma to get a better deal.Quote: rdw4potusIt depends on how much you bet. if you're betting $5, the $0.50 ante adds 10% to the house edge. If you're betting $100, it adds 0.5% to the house edge.
Quote: darthxaosHow much does the $0.50 fee per hand "ante" that Oklahoma casinos charge (you lose it win or lose) affect house edge?
Hands per hour divided by two. That's the obscene price to "rent" that chair every hour. Don't do it!
I recommend you don't do either one.
Quote: KeyserSozeI would drive a stake through my penis before I would pay $0.50 to play each round.
Lmao..ouch!!!
Quote: KeyserSozeI would drive a stake through my penis before I would pay $0.50 to play each round.
I recommend you don't do either one.
While I don't object quite as vehemently as Keyser (:-)), I do strongly agree that you avoid playing at casinos that charge this ridiculous fee. That's, what, $30 dollars you're already behind for an hour of play at an average BJ table (assuming 60 hands per hour)?! No thanks. In my experience, many Oklahoma casinos charge this fee and I plain old refuse to play there (Oklahoma) on principle! Go east (Louisiana) or west (New Mexico) for fairer gaming, if possible.
One member mentioned that you can check ahead of time whether the particular casino you are looking at charges the ante. That's good advice as you may find some exceptions, but I still refuse to go to any of those places, again on principle.
Oklahoma seems to have some pretty peculiar gambling laws - they also don't have regular craps games played solely with dice. Gotta play with cards and cards determine the outcome of the "roll." Takes the fun out of craps, in my opinion.
Anybody have any inisight into whether Oklahoma has considered revising its rules to be more closely aligned with the rest of the gambling world?
Quote: newshooterWhile I don't object quite as vehemently as Keyser (:-)), I do strongly agree that you avoid playing at casinos that charge this ridiculous fee. That's, what, $30 dollars you're already behind for an hour of play at an average BJ table (assuming 60 hands per hour)?! No thanks. In my experience, many Oklahoma casinos charge this fee and I plain old refuse to play there (Oklahoma) on principle! Go east (Louisiana) or west (New Mexico) for fairer gaming, if possible.
One member mentioned that you can check ahead of time whether the particular casino you are looking at charges the ante. That's good advice as you may find some exceptions, but I still refuse to go to any of those places, again on principle.
Oklahoma seems to have some pretty peculiar gambling laws - they also don't have regular craps games played solely with dice. Gotta play with cards and cards determine the outcome of the "roll." Takes the fun out of craps, in my opinion.
Anybody have any inisight into whether Oklahoma has considered revising its rules to be more closely aligned with the rest of the gambling world?
Oklahoma is very closely aligned with California...does that count? They're also pretty close to Minnesota.
I wish Oklahoma's handling of the ante was more uniform. Places that charge it to customers are among the worst places to play in the country. But, places that do not charge it to customers are among the best places to play. UTH generally has 9/7 trips, 3CP generally has 6/4 pair plus, blackjack rules are solid average to above-average. But, finding a blackjack game with a 0.4ish% HE is only good if there isn't also a $0.50/hand fee.
I think Kansas Star is the closest non-Oklahoma casino to the state. It's run by asshats, and the rules are worse than in OK, but there's no ante.
My memory of the situation within OK is fading, but I know Downstream waived the ante with a players card and bet of at least $10. I think Kiowa had no fee no matter what. and one other casino had what were basically ante happy-hours where there was no ante from 4-7 on some days.
Quote: mickeycrimmSandia in Albuquerque, New Mexico had an 8 deck 50 cent ante game. I think the minimum bet was $10. But 4 blackjacks in a row won you a $40,000 car. This was in 1995. I always wondered if it was a positive expectation situation.
At infinite-deck, 4 BJs in a row is about 1 / 200,000. Definitely worse in a real game since there is EOR. So, you are going to pay over $100k in antes to get that $40k car.
I recently saw someone get 3 in a row....
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAt infinite-deck, 4 BJs in a row is about 1 / 200,000. Definitely worse in a real game since there is EOR. So, you are going to pay over $100k in antes to get that $40k car.
I recently saw someone get 3 in a row....
Thanks for the answer, AOC.
Quote: darthxaosHow much does the $0.50 fee per hand "ante" that Oklahoma casinos charge (you lose it win or lose) affect house edge?
Uh, it makes the game worse that 6:5.
Quote: 98Clubs4 in a row Blackjacks at that game OFF THE TOP OF THE DECK (best odds)
Why is off the top of the deck "best odds"? Assuming that you're not counting, it doesn't matter where you start in the shoe. Except...
Even if you're not counting, you can improve your odds slightly by starting 2 hands from the end of the shoe (assuming that the 4 in a row are allowed to span multiple shoes). That way the EOR of the first 2 BJs gets shuffled away before you try for the next 2.
$0.25c at the time was the charge to play "low limit" blackjack.....
Need I say more!
Quote: TomspurIf I remember correctly somewhere in 2010 they did the same thing at Resorts in AC.
$0.25c at the time was the charge to play "low limit" blackjack.....
Need I say more!
Good memory! I saw them in the summer of 2010 at Resorts. There were 3 tables with $2 minimums. Max bet was $20 and odd number bets were not allowed. They called it Retro Blackjack. If $10, $15 or $20 was wagered the ante was waived.
