Michigan Casinos
- Ooops, I see this is posted under Blackjack. So Nevermiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind.
Quote: BizzyBI read Little River had a good game from info posted in 2010, but I called them and their game appears to be terrible as of now. Detroit appears to be utterly unplayable. Who's got a playable game in the lower peninsula?
Pennsylvania is about the most friendly state around. When table games came in 3 years ago they rules were temporary for 3 years. When it came to make the official rules for games there were half the casinos fighting to make the rules bad and half of the casinos wanted to keep them the same. I am surprised that there wasn't more backlash against the casinos that wanted to hurt the players. Those casinos were lobying to the gaming board explaining how they would make more money which means they would pay more taxes yadda yadda yadda. Luckily they state kept the rules the same. I am not sure how long these ones stay in effect. I think it is permanent but there may be a time frame where they have to re look at them
Anyways, We have S17, DAS, late surrender, double any 2 cards, resplit to 3 hands, BJ pays 3 to 2
I think the only thing we are missing is re splitting aces, and hitting split aces.
If you are counting I think the surrender rule becomes more valuable then Rsa.And for your playing style I know surrender is better:-)Quote: IbeatyouracesActually, under PA rules using a 6 deck game with S17, DOA, DAS, RS3, NoRSA, LS, I get a house edge of 0.33916%
Our 6 deck games here with S17, DOA, DAS, RS4, RSA, NoLS, I get a house edge of 0.33457% which is slightly better than the PA game.
Both house edges are from the WoO house edge calculator and use optimistic results.
for all their games that never change. Unless
they changed in the last year. Even bac and
roulette are $5 and it doesn't go up on weekends.
Their motto is they'd rather have active $5
tables than half of them empty because the
min is too high.
Quote: IbeatyouracesSoaring Eagle is a sweat shop.
Cheap tables though. I asked them to open a bac
table for me a couple years ago and I won a couple
hundred and quit. I was the only one playing
and the pit witch who gave me the table was
giving me her evil stink eye. As I walked away
she was waving her arms at the dealer, probably
blaming him. She had just wasted him for 2
hours on a losing table. Oh well.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThey were doing a lot of remodeling about a month ago also. Limits for bj are relatively small. You can't Wong into shoes as they flat bet you if you do.
That doesn't seem like much of a deterrent.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMost of their games are csm's also. There are a few scattered shoe games.
Some of their roulette dealers are rude, they say
things to you about what you bet. You never see
that at other casinos. Low min's though. Their
buffet was super 10 years ago, now it's the worst
in the state.
Memories.
Quote: anonimussI emptied the chip rack of blacks at Fond du Lac 3 times in a couple of hours. Boy, they could take a punch back then.
Damn. I thought I was aggressive when I played but maybe I'm just a coward. How the hell do you empty a rack 3 times in 2 hours?
Quote: anonimussLong, long ago, the Mi casinos were among my favorites. A long time ago. Turtle Creek had great games but eventually turned sweaty. The Fond du Lac casino had great 4 deckers. Kewadin had great 6 deckers. As long as you didn't camp there .
These are all very small casinos, of course they
sweat it. They're almost mom and pop joints,
why should they put up with big action. Would
you?
Quote: IbeatyouracesThey were doing a lot of remodeling about a month ago also. Limits for bj are relatively small. You can't Wong into shoes as they flat bet you if you do.
I don't wong in not my style. Wonging in wouldn't work there very well because it's so busy, it would take a precision attack. Can't wong in at small casinos, it's too blatant.
Quote: EvenBobSome of their roulette dealers are rude, they say
things to you about what you bet. You never see
that at other casinos. Low min's though. Their
buffet was super 10 years ago, now it's the worst
in the state.
All roulette dealers deal blackjack. Some dealers are extremely rude, regardless of what they deal. Despite complaints, management considers many of these types to be a gimmick and take little action. And many patrons enjoy the unusual behavior. I have never seen ruder dealers than at the Soaring Eagle. i have never seen ruder patrons than at the Soaring Eagle. I imagine it's worse in Detroit.
Quote: EvenBobI believe Soaring Eagle has a lot of $5 tables
for all their games that never change. Unless
they changed in the last year. Even bac and
roulette are $5 and it doesn't go up on weekends.
Their motto is they'd rather have active $5
tables than half of them empty because the
min is too high.
The motto is "better red than dead."
How's kewadin heat wise. If i use no cover, will they toss me in 5 minutes?
Quote: IbeatyouracesLast I played Bay Mills, pen was about 66%. Dunno the pen at Kewadin but you should last a bit. They have one quirky rule though that if the dealer doesn't have to play his hand, the hole card is not revealed. MGM Detroit has good pen to offset the no LS and H17.
Kewadin is the best. I already know...hopefully I can last a while. I hope I find a different place, but if I can't find a decent game, I don't wanna burn Kewadin out. I'm lookin for somethin in the LP. MGM is unplayable, bad rules, high mins, bad penetration. If they do something decent, then it's gonna be a $50 minimum. It's completely out. I'm wonderin if anyone has any recent info on some of these casinos dotting the LP. Pretty much all the info I have is 5 years old, indicating they are poor choices.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDamn. I thought I was aggressive when I played but maybe I'm just a coward. How the hell do you empty a rack 3 times in 2 hours?
By constantly hitting your hands when the count is high. Conversely, I've also lost 8800 in one shoe on a 4 deck game with a max bet of 400. But that wasn't in Michigan.
Quote: anonimussBy constantly hitting your hands when the count is high. Conversely, I've also lost 8800 in one shoe on a 4 deck game with a max bet of 400. But that wasn't in Michigan.
I know a guy who won $110,000 in 5 minutes one time. They refilled the tray 3 times in 30 seconds.
Quote: IbeatyouracesBeen a few years since going to LR but pen was 70-75%. Used to be one of my favorite places for small stakes counting. They had the double on split aces rule but no LS. Minimums generally $5 and $10. Sometimes you just have to scout these games out. Don't just take other peoples word for it. Conditions change day by day.
wow that's lame. sounds like ur in michigan. wanna meet me at kewadin? You can watch me set a record for quickest back-off.
Quote: BizzyBit's really not worth a look..no offense, but ive said it like 5 times. im not gonna play a 15 min game with bad rules in a crowded place with abusive patrons, that's a serious bankroll risk and not worth my time anyway. anyone have details on odawa and little river?
What the hell do you want man? It's pretty consistently true that lower minimums = worse rules. Even in Vegas it's damn near impossible to play a S17 game for less than $25 (yes it is possible, but not very often).
If your bankroll isn't big enough for $25 mins, or even $10-15 mins, and you don't want to play bad rules, then take some time off from BJ and build your bankroll the old fashioned way (i.e. with a day job).
Quote: AcesAndEightsWhat the hell do you want man? It's pretty consistently true that lower minimums = worse rules. Even in Vegas it's damn near impossible to play a S17 game for less than $25 (yes it is possible, but not very often).
If your bankroll isn't big enough for $25 mins, or even $10-15 mins, and you don't want to play bad rules, then take some time off from BJ and build your bankroll the old fashioned way (i.e. with a day job).
THIS.
I was browsing through this thread and was hoping someone would smack some sense into the OP.
Lots of casinos with decent to good low limit rules are "unplayable" to them for some reason.
Battle Creek. That's a nice casino and they just
added a huge hotel.
Quote: BizzyBI know a guy who won $110,000 in 5 minutes one time. They refilled the tray 3 times in 30 seconds.
I don't play as good as he does.
Quote: AcesAndEightsWhat the hell do you want man? It's pretty consistently true that lower minimums = worse rules. Even in Vegas it's damn near impossible to play a S17 game for less than $25 (yes it is possible, but not very often).
If your bankroll isn't big enough for $25 mins, or even $10-15 mins, and you don't want to play bad rules, then take some time off from BJ and build your bankroll the old fashioned way (i.e. with a day job).
Have you ever been to Michigan? The best rules in the state have $3 minimums. The best penetration in the state, and overall best game in the state, has $3 minimums. The reason why is because of the climate and low population. Wow, thanks for the advice on Las Vegas. And the advice to not play blackjack. Do you answer all questions by stating inaccuracies, and going on a tangent? I received information from someone who plays in the state, I appreciated, made a decision on where to go, and considered the thread ended.
