ANOTHER Big Craps Win

This might trump the last one...
This past Saturday, at JANugget in Sparks, playing craps. I made a 2-way-Parlay Hard8 Bet ($1/$1)
It hit once..of course Parlay, $10 out there now.
It hit twice...Parlay; Starting to sweat $100 out riding(Hey it was only $1)
It hit THREE TIMES! $1000 and down for me and the boys!!!

Not only did this happen during the day shift (9am-5pm), it AGAIN happened during the graveyard shift (1am-9am). Unfortunately I couldn't get it to happen the entire 8 hours of swing shift (5pm-1am) but I tried!
On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Acutally more than that, but I know of 24 hours that we only left the table to take bathroom breaks and one dinner break for 30 minutes) It was JUST THAT HOT the ENTIRE TIME. I only started the entire session with $100 and I played $50 action at all times ($5 pass, one $5 come; both with max odds 3x4x5x), and I probably put in god knows how much play over the weekend, ended with $300 in comp PLUS my few meals comped (probably $75 worth of food) and $1000 in my pocket. (Yes I know I won $2000)

Weird how I read this JUST recently about how to turn 1 dollar into a 1000 dollars by betting the hard 8 and letting it ride and if it hits 3 times in a row you turn a buck into a grand. I had 2 hard 8s in a row and then an easy 8 and then a hard 8 a few weeks ago. I know it's not close or the same but I thought it was interesting.

Okay, so you were playing "Basic Strategy"... (Line Bets with Maximum Odds) but you also had some center bet action. This one dollar hard 8 sure did well for you (and the crew) and its what you most remember also.
How did you do with the Basic Strategy bets which were the bulk of your financial action, if not the bulk of your memories?

All the books and sites that I consult advise sticking to Basic Strategy bets, whether Right Way or Wrong Way. Would you recommend greater center action?

A thousand dollars is nice after 24 hours and certainly nicer than not having it, but its only about thirty dollars an hour.

$1000 is only about $30 a hour but, if playing was fun, it was money made from having a good time...that is a good return in my book!!

Other fun parlays:

- The odds of 3 hard 8 wins in a row is 1/11 x 1/11 x 1/11 = 1,331:1. to win $999.
- 2/12 parlay twice: 1/18 x 1/18 = 324:1 to win $435 (but costs $2)
- 2 or 12 parly twice: 1/36 x 1/36 = 1,296:1 to win $899.
- Yo parlay 1/18 x 1/18 = 324:1 to win $224.

The hard 6 and 8 parlays are the best quick actions because they are the best center bets.

A good parlay would have been a $3 2/3/12 bet on my come out roll last Saturday, when I proceeded to throw 5 straight craps. 2 , 3 , 3, 12 , 2
I was down $50 on the P/L and hadn't even established a point yet.

Playing the Don't once, I threw three 11s in a row on the come out roll.

What we need is an "I meant to bet whatever I got" bet :P

That is a great hit.

But it's a win I'd experience only as a spectator -- I don't have the guts to let it go for another ride after the second hit.

Quote: TIMSPEED

On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Actually more than that)

If I did this, my family would disown me....but a craps player can dream, can't he?

Quote: Calder

That is a great hit.

But it's a win I'd experience only as a spectator -- I don't have the guts to let it go for another ride after the second hit.

I was playing with someone who did a "stoplight" parlay: white, red, green, black, etc. Go up a chip color after every hit, take down the rest. He didn't ever hit the 3rd ($25) bet, but he got there a few times.

I have played quite a lot of craps. Rolling the same pair of numbers back-to-back is something I notice and something I occasionally try for. I have done hard 10's three times in a row twice .. I even asked Ron if he'd give me a dollar for the third ten, and he said okay and did, and I have done aces four times in a row on one occasion (wasn't trying or expecting the 3rd or 4th pair of aces though). I do typically set dice and I try to hit the same thing repetitively. I usually set boxcars and throw with an ice tong throw. I don't claim anything other than what is factual, and I have not made any big money doing this. The odds of hitting any specific pair four times in a row is 1 in 16 million (1679616). The odds of hitting any pair three times in a row is still one in a quarter million (279936). The odds of hitting any pair three times in a row is still something that only happens 1 out of 7776 rolls.

A lot of people question whether dice control is possible. If you can roll the same pair (any pair) 5 times in a row - just one more time in a row than I have done .. and that's your goal is to roll the same pair that many times in a row (for example I didn't intend to do it, just noticed when I did), I'd say you're ready to begin to parley and pressure the house towards it's maximum allowed bets.

That is a lot shorter book on how to beat craps than any I have heard of. And no charge.

I have been playing craps now for about 8 months (since I moved to Vegas in April) and I am well known at the Silverton. If anybody from the forum here wants to meet up and talk and/or practice dice control, send me a message as I'd be interested to play and have a good time. The folks at Silverton have been under pressure at least 2 or 3 times from my throwing, but I typically only bet $5 pass lines, and just enjoy seeing the staff and other customers react when the dust bunnies appear from behind the chips (something I have caused to happen multiple times). I didn't think they took any notice of who I was until I was telling Patrick about the times I have helped others win (specifically mentioning the chips disappearing and dust appearing where they were before, and he said "oh yeah .. we know."

As far as parlaying the hard 8 bet, the chance of hitting any one is 1 in 11, and it pays 10 for 1, so it's about a 10% house edge. So you're looking at a house cut of $0.10 on the first bet, $1.00 on the second bet, and $10.00 on the third bet, totally about $11.10 of house edge on a $1000 win. You lose that sequence of parlet bets one out of 1100 times or so. That's the rough math for a 10 to 1 payout, I think.

It is interesting that when you win, their take on the payout is only 1% instead of 10%... So, of course, the trick is not losing. They get the other 9% house advantage when you lose. :-)

Here's to winning!

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- Aaron Hightower

Aaron- I am of the opinion that dice control does not exist to any meaningful degree in real casino playing conditions, that is, the dice hitting the back wall. What level of dice control do you claim to have? Can you give me a specific example, such as, 'I can roll a hard 8 1 in 30 times instead of 1 in 36' , or 'I can lower my seven's to 1 in 7 instead of 1 in 6'. I would love to watch you play, but am not a local. Thanks.

SOOPOO congrats on another big win! What's your secret? Surely not dice control!!! Out of curiosity, how are you doing for the year win/loss on soley craps.

No I don't really claim anything in particular with regards to being able to control the dice.

I have played long enough to see very unusual things happen that are quite remarkable, however, that's mostly the result of just playing a lot.

But what I really wanted to point out is that it's not complicated to know if you are having an effect on the dice or not if you set specific goals and try to achieve them.

I do generally do better when I take the time to set the dice at hitting pairs. However, I don't try to capitalize on hitting more pairs. I have made lots of money for other players who play hard ways.

So my basic MO is to set the dice and watch other people win when I hit hard ways or horn bets (I never bet horn bets, but when I rolled those 3 aces in a row, the guy next to me made a good amount .. I'm sure he lost it just as quickly.)

Still, if anybody wants to bet my rolls, I prefer to do it that way as I'm not trying to make a lot of money, just interested in learning to roll at this point.

I generally make minimum bets and try to stay at the table as long as possible.

If I put more money on the table, it's on the odds and the 6 and 8 which is why I typically go to the Silverton or to Casino Royal.

So I went tonight to the Silverton. I tried and hit more hardways and pairs than ever. The whole table won, and I made quite a scene. I rolled for about 20 minutes. I hit a single seven during one comeout roll (the come and odds betters killed as did the hard way betters). I did not hit ANY craps on the comeout. I hit 5 hard sixes, 4 hard 8's, 3 hard 4's, and 3 hard 10's. I also hit box cars three times, aces twice (none on comeout however). I also rolled 3 easy sixes, 2 easy 8's, 3 5's and 3 9's. No easy 4's or easy 10's. I hit every pair there was and more than half of my rolls were pairs, and more than 1/3 of my rolls were hard ways. I made an easy 8 point, and maybe one other point, so you had to be betting the come or hard ways to really do well from my roll. I was betting neither, but I did win a 5 dollar pass line on an easy 8 with 5 dollar odds, and one other point.

This is all from memory, there were plenty of witnesses.

I did all of this on my first roll and in a very deliberate and verbal way.

If anyone doubts what happened, I invite you to go and ask. Several of the dealers witnessed it and I made it very vocalized that I was trying to hit hard ways and also that I was not betting the hard ways myself. Lots of people made money, but I didn't make much (80 profit never going down more than $8 into my bankroll).

The staff witnessed if you care to ask were Robert (the new guy) was the pit boss at the time, and Anatola was the box man. Patrick was at the opposite end of the table, and Ron (the blond) was nearest me. They all know me pretty well and how I play.

Please don't misunderstand that I claim I can do this all the time, but if you witness it, you would maybe understand why I am posting here and inviting people to come.

I've logged several hundred hours playing craps at the Silverton in the last 8 months or so, so it could be explained by the idea that these things happen every now and then.

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- Aaron Hightower

My P/L history adds up to a loss of between $1000 and $2000. This has been with an average amount of probably $15 on the table at a time, and logging lots and lots and lots of hours.

My biggest bets on craps ever were not much over $200 per event. I am super small time in terms of how much I wager.

OK, so you set the dice.

So do about half of the players at craps tables these days.

Dice setting, standing alone, is completely worthless.

You have to be able to repeatedly roll dem bones in such a manner that they stay on axis, land squarely and softly, stay on axis, and above all, make sure they don't hit the pyramids.

Nobody can do this to the point it is quantifiable and measurable.

Anything else is just luck.

You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?'

Quote: MrV

You have to be able to repeatedly roll dem bones in such a manner that they stay on axis, land squarely and softly, stay on axis, and above all, make sure they don't hit the pyramids.

Don't hit the pyramids???
If you repeatedly fail to hit that back wall they is gonna do more than give you dirty looks and make comments about suspicious rolls.
Or are you talking about hitting the back wall but not hitting the pyramids on it, only the space between them. I don't think anyone can do that!

I like craps.
Its fast paced and it gets away from me mentally sometimes but I do enjoy it.
The trouble is, its that Lady Variance, not Lady Axis that is at play.

If I had the ability to roll pairs anywhere close to 50% on my rolls, I would STFU and find empty tables and then empty some coffers. By the way pyramids do not effect the dice half as much as some posters here HOPE they do. (Yea I know I should STFU about that!)

MrV: Good to see you on a more intelligent blog, keep up the good work!

I think anybody who can defeat HE of at least 9% on hardways by using dice control is, well, making quite a claim.

Quote: odiousgambit

I think anybody who can defeat HE of at least 9% on hardways by using dice control is, well, making quite a claim.

Yes. Defeating any such house edge would be difficult. I think that is why Dice Controllers/ Influencers /Whatever all claim to exert some unknown subtle "influence" on the dice. This of course makes their claims unprovable and allows them to assert that normal variance is evidence of their abilities.

Understanding I'm not claiming I can control the dice. I only claim to have done what I have done and that it has been fun. You cannot argue with the facts, and I have done what I have claimed to have done, and I have plenty of witnesses.

But do please understand I am not claiming I can always do it.

I let it be known to everyone that I play for fun, and fun is what I get.

I do strive for dice control, but not for greed .. rather to have a good time and to get the props from the dealers and the players alike. Whether I can control the dice or not, plenty of people believe that I can, and that's good enough for me. I honestly am smart enough not to believe that I can do it, and I certainly don't have the wins to even back up such claims.

I have a respectable career outside of craps that wouldn't be hard to do your own research and find out about, and to try to do that for a full time gig or even bring home a big chunk of change would just make my taxes too complicated and put a bump in my real career.

But I do still want to meet up with some characters from online and pick some brains about what people _think_ about dice control. So let's see some faces. Name the places!

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- Aaron

Quote: aahigh

But I do still want to meet up with some characters from online and pick some brains about what people _think_ about dice control. So let's see some faces. Name the places!

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- Aaron

I wished Dice Control had this kind of following in Reno...among dice players in Reno, we all know each other, however their are only a couple that choose to "try" to influence the dice (myself included)

Quote: boymimbo

Other fun parlays:


- 2 or 12 parly twice: 1/36 x 1/36 = 1,296:1 to win $899.

$1 12, win $30, now $31 12, win $930 take $961 down, won $960, no?

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, Ca

Alan;
You would not get that amount ($960) if you were stupid enough to play at a Harrah's property on the strip that pays 30 FOR 1. Conversely there are a few casinos (North Vegas) that used to pay 31 TO 1!! Not sure if that is still current, but that would be $1024 down.

Quote: DeMango

Alan;
You would not get that amount ($960) if you were stupid enough to play at a Harrah's property on the strip that pays 30 FOR 1. Conversely there are a few casinos (North Vegas) that used to pay 31 TO 1!! Not sure if that is still current, but that would be $1024 down.

I would not play at any casino that pays less than 30:1 on those. The figures quoted were at 30:1, but not letting everything ride.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

Just for jokes...
I threw a hard-4 THREE TIMES IN A ROW the other night..
The worst part..I bet a $1 hop on the first one ($31 and down!)
That $1 could have made me...$5000 (table max prop bet payout) in THREE ROLLS OF THE DICE!
EDIT: Actually $795 plus leaving out $166 to get the $5000 ($5166 and down + $795 = $5961

Quote: TIMSPEED

Just for jokes...
I threw a hard-4 THREE TIMES IN A ROW the other night..
The worst part..I bet a $1 hop on the first one ($31 and down!)
That $1 could have made me...$5000 (table max prop bet payout) in THREE ROLLS OF THE DICE!
EDIT: Actually $795 plus leaving out $166 to get the $5000 ($5166 and down + $795 = $5961

This is part of what I was saying. If you want to know if you are controlling the dice, TRY for SAME hards back-to-back and hop it on each roll, and make a note anytime you can hit 3 or 4 in a row .. because that is not statistically likely AT ALL.

I found out, for example, the max bet on a hop bet at some casinos is $100, even though the max bet posted is $5000, they don't want to pay over $3000 on a hop bet. That same place (Las Vegas Hilton) allows a $1500 bet on a hard 6/8 for a $13500 payout or a $2000 bet on the hard 4/10 for a $14,000 payout. Not sure the logic behind this, but I did ask the box man (or woman as it were) about this to get specific answers. Why they don't allow $500 hop bets .. I don't know but it probably has to do with the fact that hops are a single roll bet because the house edge is higher on hops than on hard ways (11%/13% for easy/hard hops and 9%/11% for 6or8/4or10 hards) - https://wizardofodds.com/craps

I think if you want to cash in on back-to-back hards, you're still better off playing hard ways on the 6 and 8, or if you roll a lot more hard 10's and 4's do that .. you can definitely win faster on the hops if you are an expert thrower and can hit your numbers quickly, but it's going to be a lot more expensive to find out and you will find out quicker hopping it.

Parlaying hard way bets is therefore the better option I think if you want the big win. Although other casinos may allow more than $100 hop bets.

I have rolled someone else into five figures from a $100 buy-in at Silverton while they parlayed hardway bets on my throwing. I haven't won more than a couple hundred bucks for myself gambling .. EVER.

But I know for a fact that I have the ability to throw for that kind of win. Andy tipped me $50 for that win and said "play hard" because I was only making $5 pass line bets when he did that. I've since spoken with him a couple of times, and I see him around a lot. He's a good guy that I really enjoy running into when I'm out playing.

I've read a lot about dice control, and I do think it's possible. I've practiced A LOT at home, and I feel I have good feel of the dice. Since I'm not sure about rules on mentioning other gambling sites I won't mention where I learned this. But what I can tell you is it's not about repeating a specific number or repeating pairs, it's about reducing the seven, for Rightside bettors. Yes rolling a hardway shows good control, but most people won't be able to get an advantage on it.

However on one particular night, I was shooting and hitting several hard sixes and eights. Probably 6 or seven total (not sure how many came before another easy). But more importantly I was hitting TONS of points, probably 9 total. I had small action, just $22 inside, pressing my odds by $2 after every hit, before I knew I had gone from 5 in odds to 50. This got me a $500 win on this 45 min roll.

I've had other occasions where I'll repeat a specific combo, like 5-3. And recently I went, shot 4 times, maybe 40 rolls and didn't see a single 2 or 12. Certainly that's not that outrageous, but I feel I roll very few 2's and 12's.

After reading the next two pages of comments, I feel I need to say something about dice control. Like I said I think it is possible, and it's not about missing the back wall. While it may seem hitting the back wall immediately makes the dice random, I don't think that's true, so long as they don't bounce off radically, they need to bounce softly. In actuality, you only need to "control" a fraction of your throws, and by control I mean NO CHANCE of a seven, because you don't have to reduce the seven by much to get an advantage of the smallest HE bets.

I feel the need to inform you that you resurrected a thread that is over a year old.

Quote: ewjones080

After reading the next two pages of comments, I feel I need to say something about dice control. Like I said I think it is possible, and it's not about missing the back wall. While it may seem hitting the back wall immediately makes the dice random, I don't think that's true, so long as they don't bounce off radically, they need to bounce softly. In actuality, you only need to "control" a fraction of your throws, and by control I mean NO CHANCE of a seven, because you don't have to reduce the seven by much to get an advantage of the smallest HE bets.

Welcome to the forum. There are many threads that discuss dice control, and the many disbelievers (I am one of them). Tell me how much you think you can 'control' the dice and I will devise a bet against you. None of the gazillion dice control proponents ever are actually willing to go through a real world test putting their own real money on the line. They are, however, willing to sell you lessons. You figure out why.....

i am new to this board practicing about 7 months day an nite, just starting to gain some control, the casino created rules to randomize the game so again its not easy. i use the hardway set , then grip withe 3 fingers thumb in the back hang my arm over the side than eye and memory takes over for landing zone . have some success but not much, my srr is 6 getting better, any comments please.

Hey guys. Funny this thread got floated back up.

I went off and started my own forum since then.

Since this post, I have been playing craps on average about 3 hours a day every day for a couple of years now.

I started my own forum, and while I admire this forum very much, I enjoy having my own little private area on my forum.

I really only have just a couple of people on my forum, and I'm _not_ trying to see how many people I can get on there, but I am pushing as far as I can in areas nobody else is pushing on. Not just in one area, but as many areas as possible. This is not a forum for beginner players, and I don't generally tell people how to play. But it's more of a laboratory for investigating the game in more depth, I guess. But research into the realities of dice control is one area that I do spend a considerable amount of time.

If anybody else is hard-core into craps, specifically into the math, statistics, or physics of how the dice bounce on the table, send me a PM and I would be more than happy to talk with you.

Also, since it's generally known, I should disclose that I do work for the slot machine maker, IGT as a research engineer. I play craps because it's just easier for me to separate my work and my free time that way since I do slot machine stuff all day at work.

But I do push pretty hard on the technical side of the game of craps. I currently have quite a bit invested into my laboratory.

Quote: Ahigh

Hey guys. Funny this thread got floated back up.

I went off and started my own forum since then.

Since this post, I have been playing craps on average about 3 hours a day every day for a couple of years now.

I started my own forum, and while I admire this forum very much, I enjoy having my own little private area on my forum.

I really only have just a couple of people on my forum, and I'm _not_ trying to see how many people I can get on there, but I am pushing as far as I can in areas nobody else is pushing on. Not just in one area, but as many areas as possible. This is not a forum for beginner players, and I don't generally tell people how to play. But it's more of a laboratory for investigating the game in more depth, I guess. But research into the realities of dice control is one area that I do spend a considerable amount of time.

If anybody else is hard-core into craps, specifically into the math, statistics, or physics of how the dice bounce on the table, send me a PM and I would be more than happy to talk with you.

Also, since it's generally known, I should disclose that I do work for the slot machine maker, IGT as a research engineer. I play craps because it's just easier for me to separate my work and my free time that way since I do slot machine stuff all day at work.

But I do push pretty hard on the technical side of the game of craps. I currently have quite a bit invested into my laboratory.

I somehow missed this post earlier - nice setup! I'm a little jealous to be honest. Not that I'm ever going to try to be a dice-influencer, but I've ofter daydreamed about having a craps table in my basement/man-cave. Not sure how much fun it would actually be...if I had friends over to play for real money, then one of us would be losing, assuming I played the bank/dealer. But it's fun to think about...

Quote: AcesAndEights

I somehow missed this post earlier - nice setup! I'm a little jealous to be honest. Not that I'm ever going to try to be a dice-influencer, but I've ofter daydreamed about having a craps table in my basement/man-cave. Not sure how much fun it would actually be...if I had friends over to play for real money, then one of us would be losing, assuming I played the bank/dealer. But it's fun to think about...

I met a friend of a teammate last year, and he was telling me about their craps 'club'. One of the guys built a very nice table from internet plans, complete with the diamond rubber for the backing. Then the 5 members all threw $100 each into creating the bank. They each own a 20% share of the 'bank'.
Then the players all buy into the game. They take turns being the stick man, and making payouts, so everyone gets to play, and everyone has to work the table as well.
At the end of the night, people cash in their playing chips. The bank is counted, but the money stays in the bank. They just play like this until they get to the point where the bank is pretty large. Then they reduce the bank, and each person gets 20% of the amount they took out of the bank.

They keep the stakes low, so no one player can break the bank. Some players will win, but just like a real casino, the bank should keep getting larger over time.
Basically, they are just redistributing their own money, unless guest players come in and lose some amount.

Quote: RaleighCraps

he was telling me about their craps 'club'.

advantage play #1: play less at this club than anyone else

advantage play #2: see that a lot of guests play. Consult a lawyer first.

Quote: Jeffneft

Just won $3450 in craps at the Luxor then took the beautiful dealer out after.

Many are wondering....can I ask in a polite way....did you pay the dealer for the companionship and was the dealer male or female? Thank you, no offense intended, just as I say, many are wondering.

Years ago, many, I had a good run at Binions and low and behold, a waitress from the Four Queens was staring at me at the cage, we had met at the Four Queens a few hours earlier, and she joined me with very little fanfare. Needless to say? but she was looking for money. It turned out just okay. Took her to Caesars by taxi, dinner at what I think is gone Ah So Japanese place between the two casino's and then back to my room also at Caesars. In the room she said those magic words "you know you have to pay?"....heard them again in Bangkok about a year ago from a lady I met on the street eating and drinking. I digress.

Quote: odiousgambit

advantage play #1: play less at this club than anyone else

advantage play #2: see that a lot of guests play. Consult a lawyer first.

LOL. All good advice.

As for #1..... Volunteer to be the stick more than everyone else. You still get to play, just not lose. ;-)

It sounded like it was basically the 5 or 6 buddies that played all the time. I don't think it was an underground 'club' that looked to bring in guests to make money from. More like a bunch of buddies that wanted to play craps, instead of having a poker game.

You imply an interesting point though. The local DA has stated that even though home poker games are illegal, he has no interest in busting those friendly neighborhood games. He stated he would prosecute places that are charging a rake, or taking any 'house' action though, but friendly games, even for high stakes, he could care less about, as long as no one is filing complaints.
I wonder how he would feel about 6 buddies getting together and playing craps? Since they are splitting up their own money, even from the bank, it is really no different than the home poker games. I'm guessing if they allowed too many 'guests' to play, they would need that lawyer.

Quote: Jeffneft

Just won $3450 in craps at the Luxor then took the beautiful dealer out after. Not to mention I randomly went to Vegas after seeing the Luxor hotel was so rediculous cheap, check it out http://www.bookonlineflights.org/search.html

Ugh.

Spam.

Quote: MrV

Ugh.

Spam.

Yeah, just flag it. If enough people do this it will go away.

Oooops. Flagged MrV post by accident. Sorry 'bout that.

If you want to do "craps club" it's very easy. Pay true odds on every single bet and don't take or pay line bets (only the odds) as the line bets are too complicated to pay even odds. One or more people plays the "house" and if it's more than one person, you just divvy up the result in the same percentage that you start with.

Especially the hop bets and hardway bets become very interesting. If you do this you can allow any percentage buy-in for a stake in the bank, and even allow people to be the bank without any play at all and everything is still fair.

As far as doing this without getting busted:

* Do not charge any vigs on any bets
* Do not charge for drinks (BYO is the way to go)

Basically if you're just doing it for fun and there is no "house" that is charging for drinks or anything else, you won't get in any trouble.

Of course the edge on the game is so low, that's the truth is that it's just more fun to go to the casino. That's the main reason people don't play craps at home much. Exceptions exist for the high edge bets, but most people are just okay with the free odds and line bets.

I have a fantastic setup, and I have yet to invite a single person over to play at my house. SOOPOO came by and he didn't even play. We were just fooling around with the toss device. We both played in the casino.

The amount of manual labor just shoving chips around is worth the vig.

Quote: Ahigh

If you want to do "craps club" it's very easy.

If you want to do it without the club or anyone profiting, do it like street craps and have the shooter be the "house" while he has the dice. Side bets at true odds.

I hadn't thought about this before, but I guess it is a slight advantage in street craps to decline to be the shooter, and just try to get action against the shooter. Right?

Supposedly you can also try to get action on side bets at the wrong odds, I've heard of that.

Quote: odiousgambit

Supposedly you can also try to get action on side bets at the wrong odds, I've heard of that.

Yes, even money on all points. It happens over and over again. People just don't know what they are doing or are on crack/crystal meth.. Even in an educated crowd you will see people pile on the point established againist the house guy. He's usually a winner but not always. Dice do get hot. Others put loaded dice (and more often dice shaved) in said games. It's a tough cruel world out there in "street" games, be careful.

Quote: TIMSPEED

This might trump the last one...
This past Saturday, at JANugget in Sparks, playing craps. I made a 2-way-Parlay Hard8 Bet ($1/$1)
It hit once..of course Parlay, $10 out there now.
It hit twice...Parlay; Starting to sweat $100 out riding(Hey it was only $1)
It hit THREE TIMES! $1000 and down for me and the boys!!!

Not only did this happen during the day shift (9am-5pm), it AGAIN happened during the graveyard shift (1am-9am). Unfortunately I couldn't get it to happen the entire 8 hours of swing shift (5pm-1am) but I tried!
On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Acutally more than that, but I know of 24 hours that we only left the table to take bathroom breaks and one dinner break for 30 minutes) It was JUST THAT HOT the ENTIRE TIME. I only started the entire session with $100 and I played $50 action at all times ($5 pass, one $5 come; both with max odds 3x4x5x), and I probably put in god knows how much play over the weekend, ended with $300 in comp PLUS my few meals comped (probably $75 worth of food) and $1000 in my pocket. (Yes I know I won $2000)

Hey Tim Speed congrats dude!

You make my win of $500 with a 5k bankroll look like an accident. Great money management! Come out to Vegas we'll play on my bankroll and I'll treat you to a nice suite providing you bring along some skill...and a schosh of luck.

Great job!!

Quote: TIMSPEED

This might trump the last one...
This past Saturday, at JANugget in Sparks, playing craps. I made a 2-way-Parlay Hard8 Bet ($1/$1)
It hit once..of course Parlay, $10 out there now.
It hit twice...Parlay; Starting to sweat $100 out riding(Hey it was only $1)
It hit THREE TIMES! $1000 and down for me and the boys!!!

Not only did this happen during the day shift (9am-5pm), it AGAIN happened during the graveyard shift (1am-9am). Unfortunately I couldn't get it to happen the entire 8 hours of swing shift (5pm-1am) but I tried!
On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Acutally more than that, but I know of 24 hours that we only left the table to take bathroom breaks and one dinner break for 30 minutes) It was JUST THAT HOT the ENTIRE TIME. I only started the entire session with $100 and I played $50 action at all times ($5 pass, one $5 come; both with max odds 3x4x5x), and I probably put in god knows how much play over the weekend, ended with $300 in comp PLUS my few meals comped (probably $75 worth of food) and $1000 in my pocket. (Yes I know I won $2000)

Hey Tim Speed congrats dude!

You make my win of $500 with a 5k bankroll look like an accident. Great money management! Come out to Vegas we'll play on my bankroll and I'll treat you to a nice suite providing you bring along some skill...and a schosh of luck.

Great job!!

Quote: SOOPOO

Welcome to the forum. There are many threads that discuss dice control, and the many disbelievers (I am one of them). Tell me how much you think you can 'control' the dice and I will devise a bet against you. None of the gazillion dice control proponents ever are actually willing to go through a real world test putting their own real money on the line. They are, however, willing to sell you lessons. You figure out why.....

SooPoo,
I have a great marketing idea. With all that east coast money you have you should buy a casino, invite me to your grand opening to win 100"s of thousands, post my ugly mug on your marquis as a winner, and you will then earn millions from all the players who try to duplicate my success who have no idea how to win. RFB in the sweet suite life is fine as my fee.

FYI- the second client has yet to leave....earning 1k/day on his 10k bankroll. I guess I now have a pet! lol

Hope all is well with you. Step-up-to-the-plate man!!! lol

Biggins

You are a day late and a dollar short. Ahigh has signed an exclusive endorsement contract with SooPoo.

Rumor has it that ahigh's agent is HB.

Quote: biggins

SooPoo,
I have a great marketing idea. With all that east coast money you have you should buy a casino, invite me to your grand opening to win 100"s of thousands, post my ugly mug on your marquis as a winner, and you will then earn millions from all the players who try to duplicate my success who have no idea how to win. RFB in the sweet suite life is fine as my fee.

FYI- the second client has yet to leave....earning 1k/day on his 10k bankroll. I guess I now have a pet! lol

Hope all is well with you. Step-up-to-the-plate man!!! lol

Biggins

It will never happen! If you are playing a negative EV game, I expect that each bet I make will have some negative expectation. If I wanted an 86% chance to win $1000 with a $10000 bankroll I can do that myself, quite easily. I have offered all 'dice influencers' and 'money management winners' an opportunity to state what they can do, and then I'll be happy to bet against them. All have an excuse to avoid the bet..... Wonder why?