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September 10th, 2011 at 5:28:40 AM permalink
ottogtr
Member since: Sep 10, 2011
Threads: 1
Posts: 2
real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)
full press the number that hits
ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit
September 10th, 2011 at 6:14:41 AM permalink
FinsRule
Member since: Dec 23, 2009
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Posts: 755
A better system is to play pass with 100x odds... (EDIT) *that should say pass, but even better, don't pass*

But as far as systems go, at least yours doesn't use a bet with too high of a house edge.
September 10th, 2011 at 6:20:57 AM permalink
ottogtr
Member since: Sep 10, 2011
Threads: 1
Posts: 2
thanks for the comment
the system you mention needs a
big bankroll and take forever to
win 50% of the starting money
September 10th, 2011 at 7:08:31 AM permalink
odiousgambit
Member since: Nov 9, 2009
Threads: 172
Posts: 2394
Quote: ottogtr
thanks for the comment
the system you mention needs a
big bankroll and take forever to
win 50% of the starting money


it does take a big bankroll. If it is working you should be able to press your bets, though.

here is a table of HE divided by Variance, which is at least a clue as to where various negative expectation bets sit as to trying to make variance work for you (see thread)

I added the place 6/8 which is roughly the same as the PL from this persective.


Bet HE/Variance
Craps PL -0.0141
Pai Gow Poker -0.02596
Baccarat Banker -0.012256
Baccarat Player -0.01374
Any Craps -0.0176
Pass w 3x4x5x -0.002211
Don't Pass w 3x4x5x -0.002825
Place 6 or 8 -0.013
"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." Mark Twain
September 10th, 2011 at 7:43:05 AM permalink
guido111
Member since: Sep 16, 2010
Threads: 5
Posts: 476
Quote: ottogtr
real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)

full press the number that hits

ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit

1. I see no reason why the bets are off on the come out roll. The dice do not even know it is the come out roll.
You need 6 wins in a row. That is difficult enough without limiting your rolls.

2. Full press? Your second bet then should be $66 after a first win. Yes? A classic power press move.

edit added: my simulations shows ~42% of sessions with a $2k bankroll will have a streak of 6 - 6s or 8s and with power pressing up to a $300 bet, then press to $600 and $1200 and showing a profit.
~20% of the sessions ended with a profit around $1000 because the winning run took place after the bankroll was already negative.

Of course your losing sessions, (and I only played 10,000 of them total) are more than winning sessions and overall you lose around 1.52% of the total handle that you make. No surprise there.
September 10th, 2011 at 4:15:23 PM permalink
Tiltpoul
Member since: May 5, 2010
Threads: 28
Posts: 1106
Quote: ottogtr
real simple
hit the 6 or 8 (place bets) six times before thirt-three 7 out
$2000 bankroll
ill start off with $30 ea on the 6 & 8 (place bets)
full press the number that hits
ill do it till one of the two numbers win 6 times
starts over if its a 7 out
off on the come out roll
if the point is a 6/8 do not remove it

bet win
$30 $35 +$1
36 42
78 91 -$1
168 196 +$2
366 427 -$1
792 924

win 1687 + the other bet
subract $60x rolls that didnt hit


I'm assuming you're talking about a bankroll MANAGEMENT technique... you're not expecting to make money in the long run?? Just curious, because I only read the system posts to try to figure out how I'm going to make a million dollars playing a negative expectation game.
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