Is There a Betting System for Banker in Baccarat?

I'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps). Anyway, from time to time I try to sneak in a betting system to keep some variety of my play. If I get too deep I'll bail out on it or start it over, but for a banker bet on baccarat, I'm not sure what I can use because it does not pay even money. Is there some variant of the "cancellation" (D'Alembert) betting system shown on the below link that can be applied to a game like a banker bet on baccarat or pai gow poker?

http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tenbet.html

Mr Papa,

You can try any system you want, there is no overcoming the house edge in baccarat, or any game actually--they don't keep the lights on by giving away a lot of money.

Progressive systems,as the Wizard mentions, can give you a greater number of wins that are small with the occasional huge loss.

I prefer the opposite---you can't beat the house, you're in Vegas to gamble anyway. Just bet a system where you usually lose a small amount and occasionally win a huge amount. If you lose, well, you're in Vegas and going home with $50 is lame for most of us. Just play a system where you lose your bankroll 95% of the time (you ARE gambling money you can afford to lose, right?) but make ~1900% profit the other time.

If you're gonna lose, pick the lowest negative EV game that you enjoy and find a way to usually lose an amount you're OK with and occasionally win a bundle.

My two cents.

Quote: ChipDeFerrari

Mr Papa,

You can try any system you want, there is no overcoming the house edge in baccarat, or any game actually--they don't keep the lights on by giving away a lot of money.

Progressive systems,as the Wizard mentions, can give you a greater number of wins that are small with the occasional huge loss.

I prefer the opposite---you can't beat the house, you're in Vegas to gamble anyway. Just bet a system where you usually lose a small amount and occasionally win a huge amount. If you lose, well, you're in Vegas and going home with $50 is lame for most of us. Just play a system where you lose your bankroll 95% of the time (you ARE gambling money you can afford to lose, right?) but make ~1900% profit the other time.

If you're gonna lose, pick the lowest negative EV game that you enjoy and find a way to usually lose an amount you're OK with and occasionally win a bundle.

My two cents.

I don't think you read or fully understood my post. Also, why not just copy and paste your post to all posts made in the betting systems forum? I was not asking for an opinion on the success of betting systens, nor was I asking if a betting system is capable of overcoming the house edge. Sheesh.

Quote: MrPapagiorgio

I'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps).

The banker bet house edge is 1.06% in baccarat, vs 1.41% and 1.36% for pass/come and don't pass/don't come.

I am surprised that about the mini-baccarat crash as well, especially since regular baccarat has been booming for the last 7 months. I would have thought that it was dropping at the same percentage as craps or roulette. Instead it is doing much worse. It is still not widely distributed with 2 out of 3 mini baccarat tables in Nevada on the strip. Gold Coast has the biggest single collection of the games, and has increased their marketing at American Asians.

Statewide 161 mini-baccarat tables, vs 273 full size baccarat, 417 craps tables and 500 roulette wheels and over 3000 blackjack tables.

As with any casino game I would imagine that placement of the baccarat table on the casino floor, the signage, etc. play a role. A low minimum sign, an attractive female dealer, an attractive female shill sitting at one end of the table ... and mini-bacc will have players!

IMO what the baccarat tables need is something similar to the free odds bets in craps. If you are doomed to lose, why not have more variance for some fun?

as far as the cancellation betting systems, sorry, I get a headache looking at that thing.

as far as my first point, I realize we have to expect nobody is going to sell a "free" betting extra bet to the casinos, who are all ears for adding sucker bets. But you could do both, craps has the free odds and the sucker bets both.

OK, my idea isnt going anywhere, but you asked [g]

sorry, I accidentally flagged some posts, please disregard, this other computer has some issues, and doesnt show the icons so that I can see them

Quote: MrPapagiorgio

I'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps).

It's because mini bac is boring. 1/0.95 to 1 payoffs, absolutely no skill involved, rules that most people don't understand (as to how the cards are played), and they don't let you handle to cards.

If that is so, can anybody explain why Bacc. is so popular among Asians? I was at the casino recently and it was the most popular game in the joint (we are getting close to Chinese New Year).

Is it because they like games where things add up to nine? Do they like the patterns? (You can get the same patterns in Roulette, too, though)

Anybody have any insight?

Quote: teddys

If that is so, can anybody explain why Bacc. is so popular among Asians? I was at the casino recently and it was the most popular game in the joint (we are getting close to Chinese New Year).

Is it because they like games where things add up to nine? Do they like the patterns? (You can get the same patterns in Roulette, too, though)

Anybody have any insight?

If I had to guess, I would say the only reason a mini-bac table might be full would be because the regular (large) bac table was not available/full/too expensive.