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July 12th, 2017 at 9:01:42 PM permalink
Here is one interesting example. In 2001 I found a 10 machine bank of Blazing 7's that were set to 100% return. The players card was .25 and on point days... well you get the point. I may have played this bank a little bit :) ... Not long after they did change the return to 99.2% and they stayed like that for years upon years. One time my wife had some promotion that offered a weekend of unlimited 3% back on as many points as she wanted with a Free Play Bounce Back. I didn't fully understand it but it seems that some outside entity was sponsoring the promotion. When I talked to the people at the club I was surprised that they didn't cap the points and it was for only Reel Machines they warned and not VP. I said sounds good. Needless to say I was playing 3 machines all day and night... mostly night. At one point I was running up and down the row playing 5 at a time. Later I called a friend who helped me play 6 machines at once. Around noon on the last day of the promotion some lady came up to me and asked me who the girls name was on the players card I was using. I told her that is my wife. She took all my cards and told me to wait. She came back explaining that I needed to combine our accounts if I wanted to play on her card and that she tried to get all the play to transfer to my account but was denied that request. The day after the promotion I had over 17k of free play on her card. I never seen that outside company offer another promotion :(

Years later they did move that bank around a few times and it seems they changed the return to either 98.5% or 97.5% ... I could never get conformation but I could figure it out by my massive amount of play. Needless to say they had more promotions in this place but the best was about 6 months of a promotion on these machines where I was getting around 105% return. Once again I was hammering these machines. So on certain days I was making an easy 120 dollars an hour per machine to just push the button. I only ever seen one other professional hammering these during that time and he played the day shift. I told a couple of professionals about them who I talk to but don't hang with... they either didn't care or didn't believe me. One of them did decide to mess with them at the end of the promotions and realized it was pretty sweet but he was too late to the party. Oh but don't play Reels because you have no shot!!

EDIT: I just want to clarify that I never used a system where I had to use N or X or cash out when I was up or down on this bank! Oh but at times I was doing laps around the bank of machines :) I think about that sometimes... I would love to have the security tapes of those nights. I wonder if security ever seen me doing that and laughed or enjoyed the show I was providing?
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July 13th, 2017 at 7:02:32 AM permalink
monet,

I often find your posts both entertaining and educational. This post is certainly entertaining. Thank you. But, sometimes your credulity crosses a line:

Quote: monet0412

Years later they did move that bank around a few times and it seems they changed the return to either 98.5% or 97.5% ... I could never get conformation but I could figure it out by my massive amount of play.



Ummm... How much $$$ does it take for you to determine a slot machine's payback to the tenths decimal point?

Also, among the hundreds of different slot machines, how do you find the one with the good payback without losing your shirt testing all the others?

OK, you said it, so it could be true. OTOH, you just might be a rascal if...
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July 13th, 2017 at 7:14:55 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

monet,

I often find your posts both entertaining and educational. This post is certainly entertaining. Thank you. But, sometimes your credulity crosses a line:



Ummm... How much $$$ does it take for you to determine a slot machine's payback to the tenths decimal point?

Also, among the hundreds of different slot machines, how do you find the one with the good payback without losing your shirt testing all the others?

OK, you said it, so it could be true. OTOH, you just might be a rascal if...



I suppose I could be wrong. Sometimes I talk to people that work in the Casinos that work on these machines or have par sheets. I buy them expensive dinners with comps or give them envelopes on holidays and birthdays and such. Perhaps they lied to me but when I have 3 to 6 sources in the Casino from separate departments telling me the same numbers I tend to trust them. After spinning the reels and seeing how much I'm up or down after 100k or 1 million coin in it's kinda simple to me... like I say, maybe I'm wrong and making all this up. I always wanted to be a writer. It does also help when you see other known APs playing the same machines for long hours and your talking and sharing the same information.

Interesting note... sometimes I see an AP in the Casino and I talk to them awhile and I'll mention a slot play like this. They shake their head up and down and enjoy the information but I never see them spin the reels. They either don't believe me or don't have the bank or don't want the headache because sometimes the swings are not fun but nowhere near the brutal swings of Ultimate X and the Casinos like to send the Limousine to Reel Players.
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July 13th, 2017 at 10:47:34 AM permalink
I'll share another small story with you all since my Street Cred or Math Cred isn't up to par. Awhile back they had a show in one of the Casino's I play with. I wanted free tickets to that show and I was trying to track down a host. It seems the host wasn't around and I ended up talking to a slots manager. I could be wrong but looking back on it he must of been in charge of the department or even in charge of the Casino during the day. I gave him my players card and said that I had been playing a lot lately and was looking to see if I could get a couple tickets for the upcoming show. He typed in my information and was looking over the numbers. He had this puzzled look on his face and asked me what do I usually play? My usual smart ass said something like... What don't I play?? I mean I usually play Reels but I pretty much play everything you got and I've been on a very hot streak lately! He told me he never seen numbers like mine and that they are too high and too long to be any kind of a Hot Streak. Basically he was saying I have millions of coin in and and am showing some huge percentage of win. I am an idiot and gave another smart ass remark like... I don't come into the Casino trying to lose... am I not allowed to win? I think I have lost in dice and I know for sure your computer doesn't show all my losses in the Book which you guys own me over there. He said something about my dice loss was very small. Anyways we had some banter back and forth and basically from his prospective it is one side against another side and his side is supposed to always win and I got the idea that he doesn't like seeing someone with winning numbers. He told me that the idea of the show is to get people in to gamble before and after and he had the feeling I just wanted to come in and watch the show and not play which was true. He wasn't very happy about it but he gave me the two tickets and we had some more banter where he got the last word in but I got to see the show and nothing happened to me. What can I say? I run good sometimes. He could of easily no mailed me or cut me from the club or 86'd me. My point is be careful when you get someone to look into your play... it might be better for you to not go to a show. I did have the host ask me a few months before if I ever lost? I told them well I've been really hot here lately but that doesn't mean I haven't lost thousands across the street. They asked me if I'm a professional. I said I'm a professional degenerate... I mean I play mostly Reels and you know as well as I do that nobody can beat Reels! I got the nod and the smile.
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July 13th, 2017 at 11:05:48 AM permalink
Generally, a host will be on your side until their job is on the line.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 13th, 2017 at 11:57:27 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Generally, a host will be on your side until their job is on the line.



Honestly I've never had any problems with hosts. I like hosts the best out of all Casino Employees but the story was about either the Head Manager of the Slots Department or he was the Day Shift Casino Manager... it was a much different experience and conversation compared to talking to a host.
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July 13th, 2017 at 1:34:24 PM permalink
My TR account says "host available", does that mean a specific host was assigned to me? Wouldn't they be different for each CET property?

Either way I kinda don't want to talk to them.

I've only earned a few thousand TC this year, I can't imagine they'd be assigning me a host.

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July 14th, 2017 at 7:37:17 PM permalink
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monet, I wish you had left what you said about stop loss posted. Damn, man, you're an encyclopedia, and we could really use the perspective.



This quote has been eating at me for a few days. At first I was flattered. After a minute or two I was thinking this was a really clever way of saying that Monet is just a know it all lol. I understand that I probably do come off like a know it all in a variety of subjects on this site. I have never liked to dance or understood dancing in real life and I don't dance very good on this site as well. If I did go to a dance I was usually the guy sitting in the back with sunglasses on looking for some sort of a weak spot or angle. I always think of myself as a Jack of All Trades and Master of None. If anyone who is young around 18-22 you should learn one thing and do it as well or better than anyone else. At least that is what I would do if I could do it over again. It seems that it is better all around in the long run to either be the best or one of the best at whatever field you are into you.

Months ago I actually left posting on this site. I thought I had found the cure for the addiction to posting. I felt like this site was beating me in some way. This is because I put out way too much free information that is honest to the best of my knowledge and I rarely find anything that I use from threads. I suppose the main thing I get is the entertainment value which is high and it is kind of a safe place where I can write pretty much whatever I want and like minded individuals understand what I am saying or have to say.

Sometimes I type out a large amount of information and reread it and realize this is probably not wise. Afterwards I make a joke about it and I probably shouldn't do that since it brings attention to what I was trying to avoid in the first place. I may never fully understand how to dance on this site but it certainly is difficult not to put my two cents in on a daily basis recently. On another thread I only wrote two small sentences but I got some serious PM Backlash about it lol. It seems it is better to put out general or basic information and keep advanced information to ones self but it is tough to read or watch you tube videos of general information and not say something about it. I'll keep trying to keep my mouth closed in the future. I guess this is why some people ask to be deleted lol !?
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July 14th, 2017 at 7:57:28 PM permalink
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This quote has been eating at me for a few days. At first I was flattered. After a minute or two I was thinking this was a really clever way of saying that Monet is just a know it all lol. I understand that I probably do come off like a know it all in a variety of subjects on this site. I have never liked to dance or understood dancing in real life and I don't dance very good on this site as well. If I did go to a dance I was usually the guy sitting in the back with sunglasses on looking for some sort of a weak spot or angle. I always think of myself as a Jack of All Trades and Master of None. If anyone who is young around 18-22 you should learn one thing and do it as well or better than anyone else. At least that is what I would do if I could do it over again. It seems that it is better all around in the long run to either be the best or one of the best at whatever field you are into you.

Months ago I actually left posting on this site. I thought I had found the cure for the addiction to posting. I felt like this site was beating me in some way. This is because I put out way too much free information that is honest to the best of my knowledge and I rarely find anything that I use from threads. I suppose the main thing I get is the entertainment value which is high and it is kind of a safe place where I can write pretty much whatever I want and like minded individuals understand what I am saying or have to say.

Sometimes I type out a large amount of information and reread it and realize this is probably not wise. Afterwards I make a joke about it and I probably shouldn't do that since it brings attention to what I was trying to avoid in the first place. I may never fully understand how to dance on this site but it certainly is difficult not to put my two cents in on a daily basis recently. On another thread I only wrote two small sentences but I got some serious PM Backlash about it lol. It seems it is better to put out general or basic information and keep advanced information to ones self but it is tough to read or watch you tube videos of general information and not say something about it. I'll keep trying to keep my mouth closed in the future. I guess this is why some people ask to be deleted lol !?



I guess I see your point, but it's a loss. I think it's a combination of the AP life, your preference to work alone, and some peer pressure. You're successful on a level most people never reach, to the point that some folks have doubted your stories or amounts.

So you can justifiably take some pride in your skill, and where else are you so appreciated? Where do you pass it on? Here is where people look to play smarter and better, so anything you care to discuss is of value.

What weighs most heavily against that is, anything you discuss has the potential to cost you and other APs money in the long run. If you give up specific machines or techniques, you're just giving yourself competition the next time you try to make that play, in a cynical sense. Either other people try it, or you clue in a casino.and they might shut it down.

Looking at it strictly from content value of this site, I have been saying keep it coming. But that doesn't necessarily serve your best interests, though I think you've done a pretty good job on discretion all along.

Do as you need to, but i hope you'll keep posting; just don't cost yourself money.
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July 14th, 2017 at 8:35:27 PM permalink
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I think it's a combination of the AP life, your preference to work alone, and some peer pressure. You're successful on a level most people never reach, to the point that some folks have doubted your stories or amounts.



I was surprised nobody questioned that I found a bank of machines that were Reels and set to 100% return. I certainly had a hard time believing it when I first was told about it. I guess everyone figured that was BS and had no reason to comment such an absurd claim. I found this out from the techs and other employees. I am not sure why they did it. Perhaps it was a mistake or they were going to advertise that they had the only 100% slot machines. Later the same people told me they decided to drop them to 99.2%. I never seen the par sheets or got confirmation from a gaming agent or anything like that. What I can tell you is that I played the machines and spun the reels over and over and usually at the 100k point my money came out to 1% or .5% loss. At times it would be over 100% return depending on when I started on the progressive but for the most part it was close to an average of a 1% loss when playing the game flat. Understand this was 16 years ago but the machines stayed at that high 99% return for years. These machines have been moved once again and the bank is smaller. I haven't been able to get any information on the payback and I haven't played them enough to know what is going on now and the card and promotions have been cut to the point where it isn't worth a test as of yet but you never know when that will change... it always seems the Casino will do something crazy down the road to draw people in. Actually they have other plays currently that are good so it is a wait and see situation. They certainly do seem to enjoy me and my families action because they send us some really good mail.

I do understand the skepticism though but in my defense I only post information that I have done directly. I try to post things that help APs in general. I do not work both sides of the fence and I don't want to be associated with anyone that does. I am on the side that is against the Casino. I've also been honest in my dishonesty and I think that has to count for something. It is always my hope to help anyone and everyone to beat the Casino in any means available. If I have typed out something that seems off or far fetched I would suggest that the individual just dismiss it. On the other hand if I type out something that seems plausible it is my hope that it can be used to make some cash in the long run.
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