onenickelmiracle
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March 15th, 2017 at 9:24:46 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I thought Mission suspended me for the ill researched on my end $100 Macy's gift card fiasco. Turns out that not everyone who got 100 points/ $500 coin in got a $100 Macy's gift as I mistakenly claimed. Only ONE person got the gift card and everyone else just got a useless candle.

I do tend to go off on tangents often/tend to post slightly wrong things by mistake, and I will try hard to work on that. ;)

Start a thread about Gulfstream. I've been interested in the place since watching the races and the Pegasus Cup. I want to know about the casino, the Pegasus, the mall, and the restaurants. What surrounds the place? Do they have their own hotel on-site, nearby cities, etc. I want to know these things, but also the things you can't learn on the internet. How far from the ocean?
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
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March 15th, 2017 at 9:56:06 PM permalink
Quote: CasinoRick

Hi there! I am a newly registered user on this forum. I have been reading posts here for the past few days and trying to comprehend something. What is the definition of an Advantage Player? I mean, if no betting system, strategy, method, or progression will ever "win in the long run" against a negative expectation game, then how is anyone considered an AP? You can count cards in BJ, I understand, vary your bet sizes based on that, but in reality, the dealer has just as much chance to get 20 or 21 (face cards) as you are, right? Every game that the casino offers is a negative expectation game. But, there are plenty of people out there who play in the casino for a living. How? If everything everyone is saying is true, then you have to be 'cheating' in the casino to gain that edge?

Thanks for your time and am hopeful to get responses that are not just bashing me for asking an honest question!


Axel's post summed it up well. Essentially, sometimes casinos have promotions that make a machine or table game +EV. Some games are +EV w/o any promotions. Some games "change state" while being played -- progressive machines for one, or blackjack where the edge shifts during play and frequently enough becomes a player advantage.

Quote: Nathan

Welcome to WOV Rick! :) A true AP knows when to manage his money and wins. If you put in a $50 in the slot machine and it wins you $500, put $400 in the portable piggy bank that only allows you to deposit winnings and not withdraw and play with your extra $100. Let's say that extra $100 earns you $300 more. Put another $200 in there and play with yet another $100. Let's say that the machine goes cold and quickly eats the extra money putting you in the red. You thank your lucky stars that you have $600 in the portable piggy bank and go home happy to be up $550. That is a true AP. Putting most of your winnings in a PPB. :)


In lieu of this post, I'm recommending a new button feature. It'll be similar to the "Thank You" button but will be a "This is a stupid post" or "Don't listen to this post" button.

Quote: slackyhacky

Some people can create a +EV game.

Mustangsally did that with the craps game - she traveled around and made a ton of money. I think she described her technique somewhere on this forum.

Also, I've heard of people adding odds to someone's line bet - that would give you a +EV if you did that on a don't come bet (example: someone at the table puts 5 dollar don't pass, and backs up with a 15 dollar odds, on a 10x odds table, you could ask if you could add another 15 to their odds - if they let you, you are now playing a +EV game).



Musty Sally hasn't shown anything other than a weird posting style. I suspect she makes deals with hosts to get rebates or something from her play.

Putting odds bets on someone else's bet isn't +EV. It's a 0% HE wager.
"should of played 'Go Fish' today ya peasant" -typoontrav
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March 16th, 2017 at 1:54:27 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Welcome to WOV Rick! :) A true AP knows when to manage his money and wins. If you put in a $50 in the slot machine and it wins you $500, put $400 in the portable piggy bank that only allows you to deposit winnings and not withdraw and play with your extra $100. Let's say that extra $100 earns you $300 more. Put another $200 in there and play with yet another $100. Let's say that the machine goes cold and quickly eats the extra money putting you in the red. You thank your lucky stars that you have $600 in the portable piggy bank and go home happy to be up $550. That is a true AP. Putting most of your winnings in a PPB. :)





This post made my night. I'll just leave it at that. I haven't laughed that hard in a while


Axel summed it up quite nicely. Playing negative EV games with either cashback or free-play via points. Playing 100% payback video poker. Counting cards at Blackjack. Controlled shooting in Craps.
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March 16th, 2017 at 3:57:46 AM permalink
Quote: Dyvan13

This post made my night. I'll just leave it at that. I haven't laughed that hard in a while


Axel summed it up quite nicely. Playing negative EV games with either cashback or free-play via points. Playing 100% payback video poker. Counting cards at Blackjack. Controlled shooting in Craps.


Tryin' to lump the ol' "dice control / dice influence" voodoo legitimate advantage play, aren't'cha? :wink:
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March 16th, 2017 at 8:00:26 AM permalink
I think Nathan should get his/her own thread. It should be under miscellaneous and called "Mindless blogging, possible trolling, but definitely senseless AP tips"
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March 16th, 2017 at 10:50:19 AM permalink
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Start a thread about Gulfstream. I've been interested in the place since watching the races and the Pegasus Cup. I want to know about the casino, the Pegasus, the mall, and the restaurants. What surrounds the place? Do they have their own hotel on-site, nearby cities, etc. I want to know these things, but also the things you can't learn on the internet. How far from the ocean?

Hello Nathan. Start typing. You're making me think you might have Jedi mind ****ed Won. You've been to Gulfstream, report.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
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March 16th, 2017 at 10:59:54 AM permalink
Quote: LostWages

With AxelWolf's commentary, I think you are off to a good start. When you are ready to dig in for even MORE detailed explanations, I recommend you read all 3 of these articles by Romes:
/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-in-Blackjack/
/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-In-Blackjack-2/q
/articles/A-to-Z-Counting-Cards-In-Blackjack-3/
Don't be afraid of getting bashed for folkeautomaten asking honest questions . . . be more afraid of the feedback you might be missing unless you provide a question with as much detail as possible (the details give those experienced players a good foundation to "address"). For example, when you play BJ, do you know

1 . . . the house edge?
2. . . . your bet spread?
3. . . . your session bankroll?
4. . . . your hourly EV (expected value) of the game you’re going to play? and
5. . . . the PEN? Don't play if < 60%, because you'll rarely get a TC to merit raising your bet.

Happy asking!



Very good post and input! thank you :)
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March 16th, 2017 at 2:10:40 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Welcome to WOV Rick! :) A true AP knows when to manage his money and wins. If you put in a $50 in the slot machine and it wins you $500, put $400 in the portable piggy bank that only allows you to deposit winnings and not withdraw and play with your extra $100. Let's say that extra $100 earns you $300 more. Put another $200 in there and play with yet another $100. Let's say that the machine goes cold and quickly eats the extra money putting you in the red. You thank your lucky stars that you have $600 in the portable piggy bank and go home happy to be up $550. That is a true AP. Putting most of your winnings in a PPB. :)



For comparison...this OP from July 16, 2016

Quote: Dean

I have read on the internet that there is a device called The Winners Bank, where you put your winnings into the bank, lock it up, and only open it back up when you get home(Think you can only deposit winnings, but to open up the winnings, you have to use another key that you keep at home) It was created by a gambler who was tired of winning big only to put back all of his winnings right back into the casino. It seems like a really good investment, but has anyone actually used the WB to keep their winnings, and did it work out for them? The price also seems like a good deal, as it is less than many people's bankrolls(under $30.00, but I have read that someone was able to accidentally break their WB when it fell to the ground and open up, which defeats the ourpose if it's not breakproof



http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/26270-winners-bank-a-good-investment/

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March 16th, 2017 at 4:11:13 PM permalink
I was thinking of making a post about Gulfstream but it couldn't hold a candle to anything Nathan would post.
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March 16th, 2017 at 4:27:59 PM permalink
I promise I am not anyone else on this board, BBB.
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.

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