billryan
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March 12th, 2017 at 11:54:36 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Odious, how is telling people to put their winnings in a Winners Bank and only play with a little money a bad thing?



An advantage player is playing with an advantage and thus wants to put his money in play, not a piggy bank.
If your advice was directed to a novice slot player , it actually isn't bad, as they got lucky and shouldn't expect to keep getting lucky.
An AP doesn't count on luck.
odiousgambit
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March 12th, 2017 at 1:45:58 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Odious, how is telling people to put their winnings in a Winners Bank and only play with a little money a bad thing?



Because the OP started a thread about whether Advantage Play is a real thing.

Oh, sure, a minor sin, and sometimes we all realize we have helped hijack a thread. It's that pattern thing that Mission was talking about when he suspended you, hoping you might learn something from it.
"We thank with brief thanksgiving Whatever gods may be That no man lives forever, That dead men rise up never" Nor any gambler the long run see ever ........apologies to Swinburne for that last line
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March 12th, 2017 at 2:18:14 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Odious, how is telling people to put their winnings in a Winners Bank and only play with a little money a bad thing?



The way you describe it is illogical. If it was a good bet before you won, explain why it is now a bad bet after you've lost
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March 12th, 2017 at 2:21:28 PM permalink
Quote: CasinoRick

I mean, if no betting system, strategy, method, or progression will ever "win in the long run" against a negative expectation game, then how is anyone considered an AP?



No one will ever be able to win in the "long run" against a negative expectation game. But there will be times when the games become positive for whatever reason:

-lots of high cards left in the deck in blackjack
-optimal play on 9-5-3-2-2-1 Deuces Wild
-enough points or cash back on other video poker
-slot progressives
-poker table with less talented players
-sportsbooks with different lines

In these cases, there may often be a negative house edge, or and Advantage to the Player. If someone only plays during these times, they can be called an Advantage Player
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March 12th, 2017 at 4:26:45 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Because the OP started a thread about whether Advantage Play is a real thing.

Oh, sure, a minor sin, and sometimes we all realize we have helped hijack a thread. It's that pattern thing that Mission was talking about when he suspended you, hoping you might learn something from it.



I thought Mission suspended me for the ill researched on my end $100 Macy's gift card fiasco. Turns out that not everyone who got 100 points/ $500 coin in got a $100 Macy's gift as I mistakenly claimed. Only ONE person got the gift card and everyone else just got a useless candle.

I do tend to go off on tangents often/tend to post slightly wrong things by mistake, and I will try hard to work on that. ;)
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
SOOPOO
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March 12th, 2017 at 5:26:48 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

everyone else just got a useless candle.



I get a gift from the University every Christmas season. This year it was some ill defined piece of sculpture with a candle. Most of my partners grumped about it, using the word useless. My GF likes burning candles so I was in the minority in considering it a good gift.
odiousgambit
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March 12th, 2017 at 6:03:45 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I thought Mission suspended me for the ill researched on my end $100 Macy's gift card fiasco



go back and read what he said

maybe I should get off your back. If I ever see you post something that makes me think you picked something good up from this site like, I dunno, instead of saying money management is something to do with AP, saying instead, the opposite, not to fall for that because you have participated in this site for a long time and have started to learn some things

I promise to give you credit when it happens. You might want to spend some time at wizardofodds.com, like in the ask-the-wizard section.
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March 13th, 2017 at 2:02:15 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I thought Mission suspended me for the ill researched on my end $100 Macy's gift card fiasco. Turns out that not everyone who got 100 points/ $500 coin in got a $100 Macy's gift as I mistakenly claimed. Only ONE person got the gift card and everyone else just got a useless candle.

I do tend to go off on tangents often/tend to post slightly wrong things by mistake, and I will try hard to work on that. ;)

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Must you revisit this dead horse once again in its grease-spot-on-the-pavement entirety? Please just stop. Move on. Good grief.

I'm really uncomfortable saying this to you or anyone, but..here goes anyway. Please,.take it from someone who was put in her place plenty of times here when she was new to gaming and this forum: stop pretending you have good advice to give when new folks ask for a response. You don't. It's painful to read, it's so bad.

This is the stuff that will get you banned. Be a student for a year or two, read the thousands of pages just on this site/WoO about AP, promotions, optimal strategy, and start to comprehend it, then maybe you'll have substance to offer. There are also more than a few other websites and books on the subject.

Doesn't mean you can't ask questions or join discussions.

Sorry for the semi-hijack. Back to the OP.
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March 15th, 2017 at 6:41:50 PM permalink
Some people can create a +EV game.

Mustangsally did that with the craps game - she traveled around and made a ton of money. I think she described her technique somewhere on this forum.

Also, I've heard of people adding odds to someone's line bet - that would give you a +EV if you did that on a don't come bet (example: someone at the table puts 5 dollar don't pass, and backs up with a 15 dollar odds, on a 10x odds table, you could ask if you could add another 15 to their odds - if they let you, you are now playing a +EV game).
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March 15th, 2017 at 7:11:26 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Welcome to WOV Rick! :) A true AP knows when to manage his money and wins. If you put in a $50 in the slot machine and it wins you $500, put $400 in the portable piggy bank that only allows you to deposit winnings and not withdraw and play with your extra $100. Let's say that extra $100 earns you $300 more. Put another $200 in there and play with yet another $100. Let's say that the machine goes cold and quickly eats the extra money putting you in the red. You thank your lucky stars that you have $600 in the portable piggy bank and go home happy to be up $550. That is a true AP. Putting most of your winnings in a PPB. :)





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