odiousgambit
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February 15th, 2017 at 4:28:11 AM permalink
Donniee, until now you have seemed to be a genuine low roller trying to learn to be a smarter gambler - just judging by what you have posted since you joined here. If you are a troll, you've fooled me by slow-playing me! Why would I mention that? because this particular post is so out of touch with this site that it resembles those posts that are put out there just to get a reaction.

"Royal roads to riches". Donniee! You could fall for that? Really? I fear for you now.
Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed. ~Mark Twain
DeMango
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February 15th, 2017 at 5:00:18 AM permalink
Lilred; If you notice, my post came seconds after your post, it was not directed at you. It was predicting the reaction of the politically correct AP's on this site. Didn't take long for it to come to pass.
Boz
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February 15th, 2017 at 5:33:16 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Lilred; If you notice, my post came seconds after your post, it was not directed at you. It was predicting the reaction of the politically correct AP's on this site. Didn't take long for it to come to pass.



I call some of the people on here many things, but PC never comes to mind. People on every side seem to voice their opinions without concerns for being PC. And that is a GOOD thing.
DeMango
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February 15th, 2017 at 7:20:20 AM permalink
My definition is a little different. It is PC to be an AP or a wannabee on this site. Heaven forbid being a run of the mill gambler and......a systems player!
Ibeatyouraces
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February 15th, 2017 at 7:32:21 AM permalink
Sorry, but some of us try to be helpful. Not hurtful. Anything with bunk advice is hurtful.
Boz
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February 15th, 2017 at 8:41:09 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

My definition is a little different. It is PC to be an AP or a wannabee on this site. Heaven forbid being a run of the mill gambler and......a systems player!



Note I am not trying to argue your opinion but I see it a little different.

They are more than a few casual gamblers on here that go to Vegas and casinos purely for the entertainment value, expecting to lose. I do not often see them getting blasted for it. More on the other side of seeing people help them get a better value for their dollar, still knowing they are playing a negative game.

The issue I see is "new" posters coming on here with some system they feel is going to break the casino and getting upset when shown the facts that it cannot win in the long term and they are missing how much they can lose in the short term when the inevitable happens. Usually these posters then get upset hearing this and become angry and at times ignorant to people trying to help them.

As for the book in question, I have no clue. Anything that helps the casual player improve their odds is ok, but when you present that it is secret way to "Beat the casino", odds are you are just trying to sell books.
Last edited by: Boz on Feb 15, 2017
Wizard
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February 15th, 2017 at 11:33:50 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

There are 22 used copies on Amazon, starting at one cent.



Based on the OP's description of the book, it is overpriced at one cent. I'd put the value at whatever a recycling center will pay for the book for its paper value.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
billryan
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February 15th, 2017 at 2:22:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Based on the OP's description of the book, it is overpriced at one cent. I'd put the value at whatever a recycling center will pay for the book for its paper value.



I use this system to get an idea if something is worth buying . If it is easily available online for a fraction of its cost, it speaks volumes to me.
Thervid
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March 16th, 2017 at 12:04:29 AM permalink
I've never heard of this book. But I'll definitely pay attention on it.
slackyhacky
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March 18th, 2017 at 10:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Nobody can make a living off of any of these systems. If that was true this book would be one of the most popular books ever written and many casinos would be bankrupt. It's much,much more difficult to win than this book indicates. You may win in the short run using these systems but you can't win in the long run. No money management system can overcome a negative expectation.



These statements are absolutely NOT true.

ThatDonGuy has done some great math on two threads showing the likely hood of someone being ahead with a negative EV (at least on the one I was involved in - i think it was based on a HE of -1.41) and for many many roles. the number was non-zero.

So what that means, is although the majority are losers, given the large volume of players, there are going to be PLENTY that are lifetime winners. Of course plenty is relative, and that number is much smaller than the losers of course, but to say "NOBODY" and "EVERYONE LOOSES" is not correct.

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