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Jerad88
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May 4th, 2016 at 5:47:58 PM permalink
If I bet on the don't pass line, and the point comes out to be 6. Can I make bets on the 4,5,8,9 and 10?? While having that don't pass line active? Thanks guys
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May 4th, 2016 at 6:08:07 PM permalink
Not only can you make place bets (or buy bets) on those numbers, you can even bet on the 6 as a hedge and guarantee that you won't lose. It's not the best way to play but it's a very low-variance one.
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May 4th, 2016 at 6:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: Jerad88

If I bet on the don't pass line,

that means you are playing regular craps and not the crapless craps version - that has no don't pass
Quote: Jerad88

and the point comes out to be 6.

that has a probability = to 5/36 on any come out roll
but you say it happened
so it could look like this (using wincraps)

Quote: Jerad88

Can I make bets on the 4,5,8,9 and 10??

place bets, buy bets, yes
sure can
they are just side bets to the game of craps
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While having that don't pass line active?

yes
that too
you can not make another don't pass bet until another come out roll happens

you can also, at any time, remove that don't pass bet if you feel it is going to lose
after the point is set.
Happens a lot on the 6 and the 8 points
it does
I see it very often

why the question?
maybe some casino somewhere may not allow it but the normal rules allow what you ask for

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May 5th, 2016 at 5:00:20 AM permalink
Noobie getting good advice here?

well, at least Mathexterminator said hedging was a lousy way to bet. Now Sally, I dunno what's up with her most of the time. She assumes you are a male I guess.

Never pick up your don't pass bet. A dealer may encourage it by asking "do you want the action?" Yes, you do, because the odds are on your side now. Are you tempted to bail out on a bet where you are favored because you feel you are an unlucky person? What in the world are you or any such person doing inside a casino?

But we digress.

For your original question, you can just tell the dealer you want those numbers too and have him help you place them. I understand some places will let you "place to lose" but you may have to go rightside on them if you want the numbers covered.

What you are doing is taking on bets with much higher house edge than your line bet. I see no reason to do it. Two-thirds of the time a number to resolve happens on the come-out. If you want more action just keep making the other darkside bet that's available, the Don't Come. You have to hand your bet to the dealer and say you want it. In no time you'll have a lot of numbers covered, not infrequently all 6 [but that is a lot to have in action esp if you are adding free odds]

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While having that don't pass line active?



no problem
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May 5th, 2016 at 5:57:25 AM permalink
Welcome to the Forums, Jerad!

Quote: Jerad88

If I bet on the don't pass line, and the point comes out to be 6. Can I make bets on the 4,5,8,9 and 10?? While having that don't pass line active? Thanks guys

Yes. With few exceptions*, you can make any bet at any time, regardless of any other bets you may have on the layout.

Have you checked out the Wizard's Craps page? Lots of good info there.

-- You may not make a Come/Don't Come bet on a come out roll.
-- You may only make a Pass/Don't Pass bet when it is a come out roll.
-- You may only make an odds bet if you have a corresponding Pass/Don't Pass or Come/Don't Come bet.
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May 5th, 2016 at 9:54:47 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Noobie getting good advice here?

well, at least Mathexterminator said hedging was a lousy way to bet.

not what Stacy said.
"It's not the best way to play"

and Mathexterminator...
Quote: odiousgambit

Now Sally, I dunno what's up with her most of the time.

what's up!
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Never pick up your don't pass bet.

many will not agree with you there or here.
many have more fun picking up the don't pass bet (not feeling good about it winning during the point round)

and then watching the shooter hit the point.
winner - winner

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May 5th, 2016 at 12:54:01 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit If you want more action just keep making the other darkside bet that's available, the Don't Come. You have to hand your bet to the dealer and say you want it.[/q

Not usually. Laying out the cheques for the dealer to place only if you're quite a distance from the minute box. That is a big reason don't come bettors gravitate to the position next to the dealer.

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May 5th, 2016 at 1:05:55 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Not only can you make place bets (or buy bets) on those numbers, you can even bet on the 6 as a hedge and guarantee that you won't lose. It's not the best way to play but it's a very low-variance one.



Interesting thought if you want to improve your comps thru higher levels of play.
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May 5th, 2016 at 1:47:04 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

many have more fun picking up the don't pass bet (not feeling good about it winning during the point round)

and then watching the shooter hit the point.
winner - winner

Sally



"Not feeling good about it" ... wow.

"more fun" ... only possible to have such fun if bathed in ignorance. There are such people but we try to dry off those who come here for advice. Most of us.

If I thought you really didn't know the math, Sally, I'd argue with you.

Quote: SanchoPanza

[Lay] out the [DC] cheques for the dealer to place only if you're quite a distance from the minute box. That is a big reason don't come bettors gravitate to the position next to the dealer.



I avoid that area, so I have come to think you are supposed to have the dealer place it. My mistake.
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May 6th, 2016 at 8:29:01 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Noobie getting good advice here?

well, at least Mathexterminator said hedging was a lousy way to bet. Now Sally, I dunno what's up with her most of the time. She assumes you are a male I guess.

Never pick up your don't pass bet. A dealer may encourage it by asking "do you want the action?" Yes, you do, because the odds are on your side now. Are you tempted to bail out on a bet where you are favored because you feel you are an unlucky person? What in the world are you or any such person doing inside a casino?

But we digress.

For your original question, you can just tell the dealer you want those numbers too and have him help you place them. I understand some places will let you "place to lose" but you may have to go rightside on them if you want the numbers covered.

What you are doing is taking on bets with much higher house edge than your line bet. I see no reason to do it. Two-thirds of the time a number to resolve happens on the come-out. If you want more action just keep making the other darkside bet that's available, the Don't Come. You have to hand your bet to the dealer and say you want it. In no time you'll have a lot of numbers covered, not infrequently all 6 [but that is a lot to have in action esp if you are adding free odds]



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