place bet martingale

ok math guys i have been using a martingale approach to place betting at craps. i started this method with $4000 and have doubled my bankroll in past 10 days. i play untill i make $400 a session.

my method/thought process is this, i play the 6/8 5/9 4/10 as single numbers. my thinking is there are 10 6/8 combos 8 5/9 and 6 4/10 and 6 ways for a 7. so now for the betting sequence that i follow..
6/8
1. $6
2. $12
3. $30
4. $90
5. $246
6. $660

5/9
1. $5
2. $10
3. $25
4. $65
5. $165
6. $400

4/10
1. $5
2. $10
3. $20
4. $45
5. $100
6. $200

this is the progression that i follow, i start each shooter at level 2 on 6/8 and 5/9 and level 1 on 4/10
bets are always working, anytime a number is hit i drop those numbers to level 1, anytime shooter 7's out before a combo is hit i increase up 1.

example, new shooter my bets would look like this...

$5 $10 $12 $12 $10 $5
so now whatever number is thrown except 2 3 11 or 12 you adjust next bet. if its a 5, both the 5/9 would regress to $5. next throw is 8, both 6/8 regress to $6. now 7 out, you would increase all numbers to level 2. new shooter- c/o 7... increase all bets to level 3. next roll 10, regress 4/10 to level 1 and cycle continues on and on......

at first dealers get annoyed if u will with always changing amounts of bets, but i explain what im doing up front abd i always take care of them. so far i have been to level 6 a few times on the 5/9 snd 4/10 but not the 6/8 obviously i know craps is negative expectation game so eventually i will lose, but question is how often should i expect that? it takes 6 7's in a row to completly wipe me out and thankfully i have not seen that. im guessing you DI's who are really good should never lose. ive been only playing here in socal with the cards from a shoe and it has been killing it.

..."bets are always working"....
Does this also include the come out rolls?

Not to scare you but yes...i've seen 6+ consecutive 7's rolled before on several occasions (but not too often obviously). Interesting strategy...sounds like you're having a blast doing it! Good luck!

Just don't blame the casino for cheating if/when level 7 catches up to you.....

Just a tip, go ahead and start buying the 4/10 after you break $20.

yes i have bets working on come out. personally i dont see what difference is between 1st roll or 15th, the dice have no memory. as far as 6 or more continous 7's i know it will happen eventually, my question is how often should i expect that situation

Quote: cartytay

i know craps is negative expectation game so eventually i will lose, but question is how often should i expect that? it takes 6 7's in a row to completly wipe me out and thankfully i have not seen that.

First off, I think we all KNOW that NO system or strategy can win all the time, and some can win more than others. The bad part of almost ALL systems is the large losses that do show while betting a system all the time. There are better times to implement a system but that would be for another thread.

Back to your questions:edit0002

Will you briefly explain to me if there is significance to the odd bet amounts?

I understand the concept of martingale, but I am wondering what happens if I adjust the amounts slightly to make payoffs a bit easier. In other words, level 5 for 6/8 would be $240 bet (instead of $246), for a $280 payout, level 4 for the 5/9 would be a $75 bet (instead of $65) for a $105 payout.
I would also adjust the 4/10 bet amounts slightly to take advantage of the buy amounts at the casino, to take advantage of the break points for figuring when the vig is increased (bet $55 if the vig is still only $2).

Would making small changes like this have a material affect on the outcome?

This would be a perfect system to play on Rapid Craps - no dealers to p*ss off or pay off!!!

Quote: DeMango

This would be a perfect system to play on Rapid Craps - no dealers to p*ss off or pay off!!!

Very true!

Most craps dealers and boxmen get attitudes (mostly bad ones aimed at you) when you make them "work" more than THEY think they should.
One box at GN downtown told my friend, after he lowered his $320 across down to $64 across, that place bettors should "never" lower their bets. Funny, the 7 out happened 2 rolls later and the box said nothing. The dealers did not seem to care!

Currently Rapid Craps is only at Bill's on the strip with place bet limits of min $3 (during the week) to max $300.

Dealers can be "grumpy" but I have seen people play larger bets--for example, $1100 across ($200 4/5/9/10, $150 6/8)--and then drop them to $25-$30 per number based on wins, etc. One reason for changing was that this casino had no commission on the 4/10 buy IF the bet was taken down...

People who do this and tip a fair amount (this particular gent put the dealers up on all the numbers for $10/$12) don't hear any griping at all. People who splash bets all over the place, throw them in late, abuse the dealer, etc. tend to be the ones I see getting poor service.

I think that anyone playing this type of system will get along just fine with the dealers as long as there as a bit of tipping involved.

Quote: RonC

this casino had no commission on the 4/10 buy IF the bet was taken down...

Don't all casinos charge no vig when buy and lay bets are taken down?